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Plaistow Eagle Flag 31 Dec 20 2.46pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

If you didn't have an intention to be chairman but ended up there, that means your probably the right person for the job.

St Georges Park and 3G pitches seem to be making a huge difference.

My brothers started coaching my nephews under 8s team. He hasn't played much football but was a very high level sportman and none of the other parents wanted to do it. The FA training course was excellent. He's used his own experience to set them up well for matches and they beating teams that often have better individuals.

He uses a handful of one or two word instructions so the kids know what they should be doing, but it should be their choice rather than "PlayStation" coaching. We've gone through a couple of decades of getting very well organised teams, it seems a lot of sports people are forgetting to think for themselves, they seem to forget that they are the ones that understand their own abilities best.

The kids all seem to enjoy it which is the main thing, a lot of people seem to forget its just children playing a game.

The only issue he's had with the FA is that they won't let a doctor parent be one of the recognised first aiders as they haven't done the FA course!

Mate

Good luck to your Brother and nephew.

As I mentioned some parent's are a nightmare and as you rightly say they forget it's just kids playing.

Some Dad's trying to "relive their careers" through their kids when some couldn't trap a bag of sand..!!

COYP

 

Uphill Flag Bedford 31 Dec 20 3.16pm

Getting back to the subject matter.

2020 has been an horrible year for most and a pretty poor one for Palace. A relegation battle is quite possible. Roy Hodgson has a long earned reputation for being a shrewd manager and coach but his reputation is now tarnished by his inability to inspire a reasonably talented, if aging, squad.

It was telling when he remarked after the Leicester game that Ray Lewington 'went apoplectic' at half time because of the team's poor first half performance.

Excuse me? Who is the manager?

His bewildering tactics, strange team selections and abysmally late substitutions indicate to me he has lost his grip on things. I have no doubt that many a manager (yes, even Eddie Howe or Thomas Franck) could do better and incentivise this team so that they play to their true and undoubted ability.

The complete lack of midfield creativity is down to him as he apparently believes that quality is not within his remit.

Any manager must have free rein to buy and sell players at his discretion. We will never get a replacement until Mr Parish gives that undertaking, within reason and subject to the club's financial situation.

Mr Hodgson should declare his intention to retire at the end of the season and give the new man, whoever it is, a chance to plan for the 2021/2 season. Be it still in the PL or in the Championship.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 31 Dec 20 3.24pm

Originally posted by Uphill

Getting back to the subject matter.

2020 has been an horrible year for most and a pretty poor one for Palace. A relegation battle is quite possible. Roy Hodgson has a long earned reputation for being a shrewd manager and coach but his reputation is now tarnished by his inability to inspire a reasonably talented, if aging, squad.

It was telling when he remarked after the Leicester game that Ray Lewington 'went apoplectic' at half time because of the team's poor first half performance.

Excuse me? Who is the manager?

His bewildering tactics, strange team selections and abysmally late substitutions indicate to me he has lost his grip on things. I have no doubt that many a manager (yes, even Eddie Howe or Thomas Franck) could do better and incentivise this team so that they play to their true and undoubted ability.

The complete lack of midfield creativity is down to him as he apparently believes that quality is not within his remit.

Any manager must have free rein to buy and sell players at his discretion. We will never get a replacement until Mr Parish gives that undertaking, within reason and subject to the club's financial situation.

Mr Hodgson should declare his intention to retire at the end of the season and give the new man, whoever it is, a chance to plan for the 2021/2 season. Be it still in the PL or in the Championship.

Good post. If I'm not mistaken the totally mediocre Kouyate and completely unimspiring McCarthy were brought in on his watch.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Dec 20 3.28pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Good post. If I'm not mistaken the totally mediocre Kouyate and completely unimspiring McCarthy were brought in on his watch.

Indeed they were bought on his watch, but the pair only cost a total of £13 Mill.

Kouyate has played both in midfield and central defence for us and I respectfully don't share your view about his overall contribution.Thank goodness he can play in central defence given our woes in this area!
McCarthy came to us having only played 7 games in the previous 2 seasons due to injury and we have not seen the best of him.

Edited by Willo (31 Dec 2020 3.41pm)

 

jeeagles Flag 31 Dec 20 5.20pm

Originally posted by Painter

One of which is Brighton with their attractive style of football and progressive manager.

This attractive style of football argument is misleading.

No one is really calling for that.

What they are saying is the playing 3 holding midfielders is too defensive, playing 4-4-2 doesn't get the best out of the players we have, individuals performance except Zaha is pretty poor, and there is never a plan B.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 31 Dec 20 5.40pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

This attractive style of football argument is misleading.

No one is really calling for that.

What they are saying is the playing 3 holding midfielders is too defensive, playing 4-4-2 doesn't get the best out of the players we have, individuals performance except Zaha is pretty poor, and there is never a plan B.

Totally agree. That style of football is not in our DNA. That experiment failed with FDB. As many have said we can barely string 2/3 passes together let alone total football approach. Just want to see some attacking intent. With two wingers if I’m being really indulgent.

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 31 Dec 20 10.16pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

9 games won in 2020. 33 goals scored.

Roy ball.

Edited by MonsterMunch (31 Dec 2020 10.48am)

In 2016 Pardew managed 27 pts from 37 games. Not suggesting Roy's figures are great but would be expected to keep us up extrapolated to a season. Not so sure about super Al's.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Jan 21 10.52am

If we fail to get anything against a side at the bottom of the Premiership with only 2 points, he will be under extreme pressure!

I’m dreading Saturday as we seem to completely switch off against teams like Sheffield United when we should be taking them apart.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 21 10.57am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

If we fail to get anything against a side at the bottom of the Premiership with only 2 points, he will be under extreme pressure!

I’m dreading Saturday as we seem to completely switch off against teams like Sheffield United when we should be taking them apart.

In terms of his tenureship, I don't believe that his hat is on a shaky peg and a defeat against Sheff Utd will make no difference whatsoever.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Jan 21 11.02am

Originally posted by Willo

In terms of his tenureship, I don't believe that his hat is on a shaky peg and a defeat against Sheff Utd will make no difference whatsoever.

We shall see, Roy has got credit in the bank atm. I want him to see this season out, but keep losing to the lesser sides there will only be one way this is heading!

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Jan 21 11.50am

Originally posted by Willo

In terms of his tenureship, I don't believe that his hat is on a shaky peg and a defeat against Sheff Utd will make no difference whatsoever.

Well if it isn’t, then it should be. It would be ridiculous to say that because you have done something previously you ignore what is happening in the present.

 

orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 01 Jan 21 11.56am

We will not sack him for financial reasons if nothing else.

We do not have any money. We are still paying huge wages for some players who are nowhere near the first team and the drop in come from COVID means the cupboard is even more empty.

Sacking him would mean paying him compensation and if we wanted to replace him with anyone good, chances are they are already in a job so that means compensation.

But if we do think he is likely go go at the end of the season I would not spend money on new players as they may not suit a new manager.

Bit of a catch 22

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Jan 21 12.12pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

We will not sack him for financial reasons if nothing else.

We do not have any money. We are still paying huge wages for some players who are nowhere near the first team and the drop in come from COVID means the cupboard is even more empty.

Sacking him would mean paying him compensation and if we wanted to replace him with anyone good, chances are they are already in a job so that means compensation.

But if we do think he is likely go go at the end of the season I would not spend money on new players as they may not suit a new manager.

Bit of a catch 22

Fair enough but will you be saying that if Roy takes us down this season? I would say our chances of staying up this season are currently about 70/30 in our favour but it won’t take many bad results for that to sink to 50/50. I think Sheffield are done, but the other two spots are very much up for grabs. Watch WBA’s defence improve post Jan transfer.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 01 Jan 21 12.23pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

We will not sack him for financial reasons if nothing else.

We do not have any money. We are still paying huge wages for some players who are nowhere near the first team and the drop in come from COVID means the cupboard is even more empty.

Sacking him would mean paying him compensation and if we wanted to replace him with anyone good, chances are they are already in a job so that means compensation.

But if we do think he is likely go go at the end of the season I would not spend money on new players as they may not suit a new manager.

Bit of a catch 22

Not sure I’d go along with that. What’s he got 6 months left on his contract? Also if you believe what’s said by ITKs we’ve got money in the bank for transfers. We supposedly bid £25m for Sarr last deadline day.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Jan 21 12.27pm

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Not sure I’d go along with that. What’s he got 6 months left on his contract? Also if you believe what’s said by ITKs we’ve got money in the bank for transfers. We supposedly bid £25m for Sarr last deadline day.

There are also rumours that we spoke to Dyche, but something was not quite right at the time. So the board/Parish, quite rightly know that Roy will not be around forever. I'm not expecting him past this season, nor I doubt, is anyone else.

 


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Plaistow Eagle Flag 01 Jan 21 2.20pm

IMO this puts things into perspective in terms of our current predicament, why we need to replace Roy and if we don't do something soon to arrest this slide we will be in serious problems.

See link for English Football 2020 League table we are 82nd out of 92, only Brighton and Sheffield United of sides currently in the Premier League are below us.

I understand that this takes into account teams playing in lower leagues, so therefore a weaker standard of opposition.

But the fact remains they are still playing and competing at their relative levels.

Doesn't make good reading;

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COYP

 

OldFella Flag London 01 Jan 21 2.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

In terms of his tenureship, I don't believe that his hat is on a shaky peg and a defeat against Sheff Utd will make no difference whatsoever.

I disagree for once, Willo. If we lose against Sheff Utd., Roy will be sacked.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 21 3.08pm

Originally posted by OldFella

I disagree for once, Willo. If we lose against Sheff Utd., Roy will be sacked.

I would be stupefied if this was the case.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Jan 21 4.02pm

Definitely not, I was wondering about Roy and Ray though.

Roy could retire in which case Ray may decide to continue.

He can certainly motivate the team!

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Jan 21 6.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Definitely not, I was wondering about Roy and Ray though.

Roy could retire in which case Ray may decide to continue.

He can certainly motivate the team!

And hes younger

 

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