There you go again!

Still no admission of your error. Why is this? Do you really not see it, or are you just too stubborn to accept it? We all make mistakes and real men can admit them without shame. Or without attacking their critics from a position of power. Those are Trumplike tactics. You surely don't want to imitate him do you?

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Surely this depends on who is being appeased? In terms of the definition quoted that is exactly what happened because investigations were not being carried out as expediently as possible.

You obviously haven't paid attention to today's finding of the Independent Child Abuse Inquiry

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse said there had been a "significant problem" of deference towards people of public prominence.

""Its report said political parties and police had turned a "blind eye".""

On LBC this afternoon the secretary of the Inquiry spoke well and dismissed many of the more absurd conspiracy theories. However he was very clear that people in position of power used their influence to escape justice themselves or to protect others.

This wasn't waffle he named names and gave specific instances where this had happened quoting senior police officers and others.

There was no Child Sex ring based in high places but individuals did get away with it and the elite were more interested in covering up then condemning. Just listen to the weasel words of David Steel this afternoon not one word of an apology but poor me I've been made a scapegoat.

If you think that the police are not influenced by the higher ups then you are naive to say the least.

Maybe this has now changed for the better and police can now investigate without fear of reprisal but the nub of the report was that politicians are more interested in protecting reputations than justice. Across the country time and time again we hear that the local councils and police were warned and did nothing this is a cover up culture which hopefully will now end.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Feb 2020 7.18pm)

One more point

As I never imagined that I might be able to curtail right wing rhetoric that would be quite a bonus result. Thanks for the heads up.

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I did read that but haven't yet studied the report in any detail. I agree though that at first sight it doesn't look good.

Like all things we can always be wise after the event. We live in different times now, with different standards and expectations. That's not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. The important thing is to keep on learning and reacting. As you suggest.

You cannot have it both ways. Society has progressed and become more inclusive and we have had to adapt to the consequences. Yet some resist that.

I think though there is a big danger in trying to judge yesterday's events by today's standards. In everything. What we need to do is use yesterday's mistakes to be better tomorrow.

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Trump will still be using Trumpian tactics when he is 90!

It's the tactics, not the age, that I was referring to.

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I am not dreaming of anything. It would just be a side effect but a welcome one.

Moving any further to the right is hardly going to make much difference is it?

As I have suggested many times there is no compulsion at all to read my posts let alone respond to them.

So the fault, and the answer, lies entirely in your own hands and not mine.

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Did I really hear a 'that was then, this is now' excuse from WE?

Funny but I don't actually remember a time in the past where it was accepted to fiddle with kids, or cover it up.

Sure, I remember a time where men and women behaved in a more traditional fashion.....Politicians weren't expected to be deviants......Even the straights like Profumo rather famously lost his job over a sex scandal....and there was never a time where fecking kids was just considered a cultural norm.

If it had came out back then it would also have been a scandal.....that's why it was sodding covered up in the first place.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2020 8.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As I said, not as quickly as some would like, due to the issue either not being taken seriously enough or the need to tread carefully within the communities. No-one though followed a policy of appeasement which implies just giving in. This was more softly, softly.

Who knows what public awareness has done? It is assumed by some that was the answer to everything but it could easily have actually complicated things for Police enquiries that were quietly advancing in their own way.

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OK, it may have been a coincidence that so many grooming gangs have been arrested and convicted since public awareness was raised.
If nothing else informing people of the situation should have alerted parents to the danger their children were in.
How would this look if there was a serial killer at large but the decision was taken to keep it all as under wraps as possible resulting in several more murders?