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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 21 Dec 20 5.32pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Sorted - you were right Badger!

 

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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 21 Dec 20 5.37pm Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

There was a link here recently about a top American university and bame people not having to take the vaccine. I can't find it if anyone could point me in the right direction?
Thanks.

Here it is;

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 21 Dec 20 7.14pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I just love it when you try to use facts.

Full Fact is interesting on the female fertility point


We’ve been asked by a number of readers about claims that the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine, which has been approved for use in the UK, could lead to infertility in women.

The reason given for this is that the vaccine works by igniting an immune response to a spike protein on the Covid-19 virus’ surface, and that this immune response could also attack similar proteins that make up the placenta, and therefore reduce fertility in women.

But there’s no evidence this is the case.

Where did this claim come from?
The origins of this claim stems from a protein on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 virus (the virus which causes Covid-19), called a spike protein. This spike protein helps the virus enter cells and is also one of the ways the human body recognises a virus and knows to let its immune cells attack it.

The Pfizer vaccine works by giving the body the instructions on how to make this spike protein, so it can generate an immune response that attacks the virus via the spike protein faster and more effectively if it is later infected.

The building blocks of proteins are called amino acids, and it’s sequences of those that make up different proteins.

A small part of this spike protein resembles a part of another protein vital for the formation of the placenta, called syncytin-1. But the sequence of amino acids that are similar in syncytin-1 and the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is quite short.

But only two very small parts of these proteins look the same—it’s not the whole protein—and therefore realistically the body’s immune system is not likely to confuse the two, and attack syncytin-1 rather than the spike protein on SARS-CoV-2 and stop a placenta forming.

What do the experts say?
Virology professor Ian Jones at the University of Reading told Full Fact, via the Science Media Centre, that the spike protein and syncytin-1 don’t look similar enough for the same antibodies that the body would create as an immune response to the vaccine, to bind to and attack syncytin.

He said syncytin-1 is “completely unrelated to the SARS [spike] protein” and the risk of infertility is “therefore essentially fictitious.”

Professor Jonathan Stoye, Virologist at the Francis Crick Institute, told Full Fact these proteins are not identical, as some have claimed.

On whether the vaccine could cause an immune reaction to the syncytin-1 protein vital for placenta formation, he said: “I would never say never, but the possibility is vanishingly small.”

What did the trials show?
There also isn’t any evidence from trials of the Pfizer vaccine that it affects fertility.

As the vaccine stimulates an immune response to the spike protein, if it did affect fertility we might also expect to see Covid-19 infections affecting this too, as the body should produce a similar immune response if infected. But we don’t. Although it has been suggested that Covid-19 cases seem to be more severe in pregnant women, there doesn’t seem to be evidence that Covid-19 causes women to lose their pregnancy, or struggle to get pregnant later.

The government currently says that the Pfizer vaccine “has not yet been assessed in pregnancy, so it has been advised that until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not have this vaccine.”

A number of Facebook posts point to UK government-published guidance on this vaccine, that says: “It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.”

Although we haven’t had years to watch what happens after people get the vaccine, this doesn’t mean there’s any evidence this vaccine might impact fertility. It just means that hasn’t been explicitly studied.


I see the Telegraph has a headline on this but I can't read the story. The CDC specifically says:

'Women who are trying to become pregnant do not need to avoid pregnancy after receiving an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine'

We also know that ,based on how mRNA vaccines work, experts believe they are unlikely to pose a risk for people who are pregnant'

And finally

'Observational data demonstrate that, while the chances for these severe health effects are infrequent, pregnant people with COVID-19 have an increased risk of severe illness, including illness that results in ICU admission, mechanical ventilation, and death. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 might be at increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes, such as preterm births.'


Let me repeat, by being a conduit for mis-information you discourage some people from taking the vaccine. If you do that then you are going to be responsible for deaths. Why do you choose to spread your rubbish all the time. Take responsibility dammit.

Full Fact - biggest backers are Facebook...

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 Dec 20 7.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Full Fact - biggest backers are Facebook...

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Yep, then Google and even open society in there.

I love this unaware bit they wrote in the 'neutrality' section.

'We have rigorous safeguards in place at every level of our organisation to ensure our neutrality. These have been carefully constructed based on advice from our board and examples ranging from Amnesty International to the BBC.'

Globalist establishment lackeys dispensing establishment bias.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Dec 2020 7.33pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 20 1.13am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Those who shut the country down....put all those small businesses to the flame, lost all those jobs.

Never missed one paycheck.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 22 Dec 20 1.30am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who shut the country down....put all those small businesses to the flame, lost all those jobs.

Never missed one paycheck.

And they want a pay rise!!!!!!

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 23 Dec 20 8.44am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Took my 90 year old mother-in-law for vaccine yesterday. She has high blood pressure and asthma so hopefully no ill effects.
I must say I was impressed with the organisation involved, everything went smoothly. She missed of course, but that assured me she was fine!

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 Dec 20 10.41am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Took my 90 year old mother-in-law for vaccine yesterday. She has high blood pressure and asthma so hopefully no ill effects.
I must say I was impressed with the organisation involved, everything went smoothly. She missed of course, but that assured me she was fine!

The organisation that I have seen has been exceptional. All volunteers and a fantastic machine.

People, DO NOT pass on nonsense you may see on the internet or WhatsApp about the vaccine. I am struggling big time to get all our Care Assistants to accept a vaccination. I shall dismiss in the end if any don't, to be clear.

This is a huge public health problem. Two people out of half a million having a mild allergic reaction does not constitute reason for concern, don't imply it is PLEASE.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Dec 20 10.46am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The organisation that I have seen has been exceptional. All volunteers and a fantastic machine.

People, DO NOT pass on nonsense you may see on the internet or WhatsApp about the vaccine. I am struggling big time to get all our Care Assistants to accept a vaccination. I shall dismiss in the end if any don't, to be clear.

This is a huge public health problem. Two people out of half a million having a mild allergic reaction does not constitute reason for concern, don't imply it is PLEASE.

I do know someone resident in the midlands who took her elderly mother,probably well into her 80s, for the vaccination and she was fulsome in praise for the organisation and the staff.

I have just turned 68 and on the 5th rung down the priority list so it will be a few months before I receive the vaccine.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 23 Dec 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The organisation that I have seen has been exceptional. All volunteers and a fantastic machine.

People, DO NOT pass on nonsense you may see on the internet or WhatsApp about the vaccine. I am struggling big time to get all our Care Assistants to accept a vaccination. I shall dismiss in the end if any don't, to be clear.

This is a huge public health problem. Two people out of half a million having a mild allergic reaction does not constitute reason for concern, don't imply it is PLEASE.

Did I imply it? Wasn’t suggesting she would get any “nasty” side effects, just whether she develops any mild flu like symptoms as suggested by those who administered it were a possibility. For her even flu is potentially dangerous.
Serious question Mapletree, would you be able to sack someone solely because they would not have the vaccine?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 Dec 20 11.17am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Did I imply it? Wasn’t suggesting she would get any “nasty” side effects, just whether she develops any mild flu like symptoms as suggested by those who administered it were a possibility. For her even flu is potentially dangerous.
Serious question Mapletree, would you be able to sack someone solely because they would not have the vaccine?

It wasn't a post aimed at you, you are being paranoid

I thought it was my last post (see the Eddie Izzard thread) so I wanted to get across something that I think really matters.

Yes, if I said I would sack people then I would sack people.

 

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