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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 25 May 15 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

 

titlechance Flag 25 May 15 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think in ROI, hence why it's legal.


Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 3.20pm)

 

ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 25 May 15 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

 

ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 25 May 15 3.13pm

There's a marryyourpet.com. Says it all really.

 

titlechance Flag 25 May 15 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.

 

ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 25 May 15 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

 

coulsdoneagle Flag London 25 May 15 4.32pm

How can you disagree with it, no one is forcing you to have a gay marriage, just saying that those who want one can have one, thats why I don't understand how you can disagree and still say live and let live.

 

derben Flag 25 May 15 4.47pm

Quote peterg at 25 May 2015 2.47pm

Well done the Republic of Ireland.
Northern Ireland, which is dominated by hard-line and evangelical Protestants, is now the only country in western Europe which does not allow gay marriage. Impressive that Protestant country can show itself as more bigoted than a Catholic one.

You should check out Islamic countries.

 

derben Flag 25 May 15 4.50pm

Quote coulsdoneagle at 25 May 2015 4.32pm

How can you disagree with it, no one is forcing you to have a gay marriage, just saying that those who want one can have one, thats why I don't understand how you can disagree and still say live and let live.


True, but they are forcing people to bake cakes with "support gay marriage" on them.

 

titlechance Flag 25 May 15 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 25 May 15 7.19pm

you seen the attitude to gays in sub-saharan Africa ?

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 25 May 15 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.
Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

 

titlechance Flag 25 May 15 8.18pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.

Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

So now the vote doesn't count? lol

Think it's wrong, nobody is stopping you. I said in the previous message "You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it."


 

EaglesEaglesEagles Flag 25 May 15 11.21pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 8.18pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.

Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

So now the vote doesn't count? lol

Think it's wrong, nobody is stopping you. I said in the previous message "You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it."



The majority of the world's population is intolerant then?
Or are they just uneducated? Or maybe culturally dissimilar (that sounds quite nice!)?

The point is that if you make these majority/minority points of argument then you're not really getting anywhere.
Both sides of the argument can get into "I'm more righteous than you and your views" territory.

Demonising others because of their opposing views is intolerant in and of itself. Some people (not necessarily you) think that everyone who doesn't support gay marriage has to be homophobic. That kind of stance makes someone like me feel uncomfortable and unacceptable to some others.
What people should have is an opposition to people's fundamental views, not a person themselves or their rationale/right to believe in something. In many cases beliefs on gay marriage do not have homophobic bases.

 


I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.

titlechance Flag 25 May 15 11.45pm

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 25 May 2015 11.21pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 8.18pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.

Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

So now the vote doesn't count? lol

Think it's wrong, nobody is stopping you. I said in the previous message "You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it."



The majority of the world's population is intolerant then?
Or are they just uneducated? Or maybe culturally dissimilar (that sounds quite nice!)?

The point is that if you make these majority/minority points of argument then you're not really getting anywhere.
Both sides of the argument can get into "I'm more righteous than you and your views" territory.

Demonising others because of their opposing views is intolerant in and of itself. Some people (not necessarily you) think that everyone who doesn't support gay marriage has to be homophobic. That kind of stance makes someone like me feel uncomfortable and unacceptable to some others.
What people should have is an opposition to people's fundamental views, not a person themselves or their rationale/right to believe in something. In many cases beliefs on gay marriage do not have homophobic bases.

You say I'm demonising when I've suggested that gay marriage being legal appears to reflect majority belief here - hence partly why it is legal. And that intolerance is a two way street. It's hardly outlandish and unfair to say so. At the same time you have no harsh words for someone who compares gay marriage to marriage with animals and pedophilia. You're waving your finger at the wrong person.

Edited by titlechance (26 May 2015 12.20am)

 

ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 26 May 15 12.19am

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 11.45pm

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 25 May 2015 11.21pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 8.18pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.

Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

So now the vote doesn't count? lol

Think it's wrong, nobody is stopping you. I said in the previous message "You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it."



The majority of the world's population is intolerant then?
Or are they just uneducated? Or maybe culturally dissimilar (that sounds quite nice!)?

The point is that if you make these majority/minority points of argument then you're not really getting anywhere.
Both sides of the argument can get into "I'm more righteous than you and your views" territory.

Demonising others because of their opposing views is intolerant in and of itself. Some people (not necessarily you) think that everyone who doesn't support gay marriage has to be homophobic. That kind of stance makes someone like me feel uncomfortable and unacceptable to some others.
What people should have is an opposition to people's fundamental views, not a person themselves or their rationale/right to believe in something. In many cases beliefs on gay marriage do not have homophobic bases.

You say I'm demonising when I've suggested that gay marriage being legal appears to reflect majority belief here - hence partly why it is legal. And that intolerance is a two way street. It's hardly outlandish and unfair to say so. At the same time you have no harsh words for someone who compares gay marriage to marriage with animals and pedophilia. You're waving your finger at the wrong person.

Edited by titlechance (26 May 2015 12.01am)

Dunno if he is ... I reckon if he waved his finger at you, you 'd jump right on it!!!!!!

Sorry, but I asked you what makes you think I'm intolerant, what minorities I disliked, what did the whole "what goes around" comment mean.

You have completely blanked this.

My comparison between gay marriages and others is merely my (some might say"poor" attempt to highlight how cheap and unworthy the term/legality of the word marriage has now become. And me asking, where exactly do we draw the line on who should get married?

I have gay friends, shock horror.

I also have gay friends who do not believe in gay marriage, check that sh!t out.

Pushing the boundaries is not always a good thing.

But then who decides what is deemed good!?

The church, should, most definitely not, have to accept this new "law", if it is not something they "preach".
It makes it even more bullsh!t, than the bullsh!t they preach.

 

titlechance Flag 26 May 15 12.30am

Quote ZIGnZAG at 26 May 2015 12.19am

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 11.45pm

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 25 May 2015 11.21pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 8.18pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 8.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 6.54pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 4.12pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.14pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.11pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.07pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 25 May 2015 3.05pm

Quote titlechance at 25 May 2015 3.01pm

It never made sense that a homosexual is free to marry a woman he doesn't love but not a man he does. From the out of touch replies here you'd think gay marriage had been made mandatory. Let people enjoy a moment of happiness ffs.


Why on earth are any anti gay marriage views out of touch?

It's out of touch with what most people now think, hence why it's legal.


So I must think the same as everybody else now. Down with the kids n all that sh!t.

You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it.


No sh!t Sherlock. I think I might have even pointed that fact out myself.
It's the out of touch part I don't get.
Your saying what most people think, does that make it right, or trendy or fashionable or...... what??

It doesn't make it right or wrong just legal.

You hold a minority view now. Whenever you're unlucky enough to meet someone as intolerant as yourself, you'll get treated just like the minorities you dislike have been. What goes around...

Edited by titlechance (25 May 2015 7.03pm)


Minority view, how do you work that one out. Because about 60% of the people that actually bothered to vote, in Ireland, voted for gay marriage. I doubt the whole country voted, and Ireland is a very small part of the world.

Still, all because you think I'm in the minority, should I not be allowed to have an opinion, or a view that is different to yours.
Whatever makes you assume I am intolerant.
And I'll get treated like what minorities I dislike.....!??!?! According to you, I'm the minority. Also please note, I haven't once said I dislike any group of people, nevermind numerous groups. I just think the whole gay marriage thing is wrong.


Is the "what goes around" a question, or the start of a joke?

So now the vote doesn't count? lol

Think it's wrong, nobody is stopping you. I said in the previous message "You are free to hold your view and I am free to disagree with it."



The majority of the world's population is intolerant then?
Or are they just uneducated? Or maybe culturally dissimilar (that sounds quite nice!)?

The point is that if you make these majority/minority points of argument then you're not really getting anywhere.
Both sides of the argument can get into "I'm more righteous than you and your views" territory.

Demonising others because of their opposing views is intolerant in and of itself. Some people (not necessarily you) think that everyone who doesn't support gay marriage has to be homophobic. That kind of stance makes someone like me feel uncomfortable and unacceptable to some others.
What people should have is an opposition to people's fundamental views, not a person themselves or their rationale/right to believe in something. In many cases beliefs on gay marriage do not have homophobic bases.

You say I'm demonising when I've suggested that gay marriage being legal appears to reflect majority belief here - hence partly why it is legal. And that intolerance is a two way street. It's hardly outlandish and unfair to say so. At the same time you have no harsh words for someone who compares gay marriage to marriage with animals and pedophilia. You're waving your finger at the wrong person.

Edited by titlechance (26 May 2015 12.01am)

Dunno if he is ... I reckon if he waved his finger at you, you 'd jump right on it!!!!!!

Sorry, but I asked you what makes you think I'm intolerant, what minorities I disliked, what did the whole "what goes around" comment mean.

You have completely blanked this.

My comparison between gay marriages and others is merely my (some might say"poor" attempt to highlight how cheap and unworthy the term/legality of the word marriage has now become. And me asking, where exactly do we draw the line on who should get married?

I have gay friends, shock horror.

I also have gay friends who do not believe in gay marriage, check that sh!t out.

Pushing the boundaries is not always a good thing.

But then who decides what is deemed good!?

The church, should, most definitely not, have to accept this new "law", if it is not something they "preach".
It makes it even more bullsh!t, than the bullsh!t they preach.

For a person with 'gay friends' you've come out with very out there comparisons. Imagine a young gay palace supporter wading through some of this on here...

I'll leave this 'debate' to others I think.


Edited by titlechance (26 May 2015 6.56am)

 

Kiwi 26 May 15 5.43am

I don't really care much about this gay marriage thing, but find society's fetishization of it a bit weird.

Seems self-evident to me that the origins of marriage lie in benefiting society by: providing children with a secure environment, providing certainty about the paternity of children. None of that is very relevant to homosexuals.

The earliest law code was written by Hamurappi, thousands of years ago in the Middle East. Despite Hamurappi being a practicing bisexual in law code marriage was a heterosexual institution. You have to wonder why, don't you?

I think what's going on here is not society becoming increasingly 'enlightened'. It's that we've had technological changes (e.g. the pill, test tube babies, etc.), and ideological changes (e.g. third wave feminism).

I'm all for homosexuals having the same rights as heterosexuals - i.e. freedom to practice their sexuality, have their relationships legally recognized, equal access to all social benefits, health services, etc.

New Zealand recognized gay civil unions years before it recognized gay marriage, and personally I think the 'civil union' versus 'marriage' distinction makes some sense.

At the end of the day, a gay marriage is not exactly what a marriage has traditionally been (i.e. the parties involved in a gay marriage aren't going to be producing new humans), so I'm not sure calling it a marriage makes complete sense. No question that this is a redefinition of marriage.

 

imbored Flag UK 26 May 15 8.24am

Quote Kiwi at 26 May 2015 5.43am

I don't really care much about this gay marriage thing, but find society's fetishization of it a bit weird.

Seems self-evident to me that the origins of marriage lie in benefiting society by: providing children with a secure environment, providing certainty about the paternity of children. None of that is very relevant to homosexuals.

The earliest law code was written by Hamurappi, thousands of years ago in the Middle East. Despite Hamurappi being a practicing bisexual in law code marriage was a heterosexual institution. You have to wonder why, don't you?

I think what's going on here is not society becoming increasingly 'enlightened'. It's that we've had technological changes (e.g. the pill, test tube babies, etc.), and ideological changes (e.g. third wave feminism).

I'm all for homosexuals having the same rights as heterosexuals - i.e. freedom to practice their sexuality, have their relationships legally recognized, equal access to all social benefits, health services, etc.

New Zealand recognized gay civil unions years before it recognized gay marriage, and personally I think the 'civil union' versus 'marriage' distinction makes some sense.

At the end of the day, a gay marriage is not exactly what a marriage has traditionally been (i.e. the parties involved in a gay marriage aren't going to be producing new humans), so I'm not sure calling it a marriage makes complete sense. No question that this is a redefinition of marriage.


I can't keep away from the place. I'd say you've put forward an argument that comes from the right place but I have a few comments.

Heterosexual couples with no desire to have children can get married. As can older people, infertile couples and those adopting. We could argue this is an offshoot of traditional marriage that is unavoidable, but really there's nothing stopping us calling these unions something other than marriage too. I'm not sure though that we would say a couple who adopt are less entitled to be married than two parents able to produce children, so is both parents producing their own child, not raising one, the only group we should award the title to? Wouldn't we be making these other unions less secure by differentiating, defeating the point.. and isn't that true here too?

Openly gay couples are more of a feature of today's society. We either make it illegal for them to raise children together, or we accept that they are increasingly likely to do so and provide the model most likely to provide stability. You may think that's a civil union, some may think marriage. We could argue that it's inevitable that countries will view this issue in different ways, since the legality of gay marriage very often aligns with the treatment of gay people in general.

Edited by imbored (26 May 2015 8.42am)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 26 May 15 8.48am

Marriage is a man made concept so it's only fair it should only involve men. In fact, think of all the housing stock that would be freed up if women were banned from it totally.

We should hold a referendum.

 


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