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 Sedlescombe  Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by regal_eagle
At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown.
Elizabeth Warren?
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Nov 16 2.19pm |
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At least it wasn't sarah palin
When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC |
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing
These things are complex. Some perhaps because they dont define themselves by race and religion. A muslim I watched being interviewed made the case for keeping muslims out of the US as a way of keeping bad guys out. I dont agree with him but he makes the argument that works for him. Others who are doing ok perhaps have a different perspective.
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| Rubin 09 Nov 16 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI
Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around Most of the republicans deserted Trump and effectively back her, so the investigation being run by a republican doesn't really mean anything. As I said, the investigation is still open, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Regarding the rest, I understand your hesitancy to believe it as it hasn't been in the readily available media. It's worth looking in to and doing some research if you're interested in finding out more. Stefan Molyneux on YouTube would be a good place to start, as he's very thorough. Edited by Rubin (09 Nov 2016 2.23pm)
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| npn Crowborough 09 Nov 16 2.22pm |
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Surely never can there have been a presidential race between two less likable people? I pity normal Americans that those two were only choice they had
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 09 Nov 16 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
We'll have to wait and see what happens over the coming years, once the investigation has been finished. The FBI have never closed it. Bill Clinton paid off one of the rape victims with 0,000 back when that was a lot of money, although that side of things wasn't bought up in my list. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old by smearing the victim, and has laughed about it in recordings since. No - no she really really didn't. I know people were happy to accept this narrative but it is utter rubbish. I don't know about the emails. I have a lot of sympathy when Trump complained you couldn't properly review 650k emails in a couple of days, but to date nothing has been proven. She is not a criminal. Or if she is then Trump is a kiddie-fiddler (court case next month). Innocent until proven for both or neither.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Nov 16 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Trump's surge in support came largely from white males without college degrees. Read into that what you will. Is it a coincidence that this demographic contributed significantly to the Leave result as well as the Trump victory? Your sneering, patronising assessment says to me that whilst you consider yourself on the side of the 'working man', you don't want him to voice an opinion because it contradicts yours, you want him to just shut up and vote for whatever socialist party you support because you know what's best for him.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Nov 16 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Not a bad shout..... Tell me, what does Michelle Obama stand for and what are her policies?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 16 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
At least it wasn't sarah palin Christ can you imagine, she makes trump look like Jeremy "limp wrist" Corbyn.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 09 Nov 16 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yay. We really do now live in an age where having an education is seemingly meaningless. Certainly not. It just creates an arrogant self deluded state of superiority among some who have enjoyed one. Passing a few exams does not make you an authority on politics, morals or anything other than what you are qualified in. It does not automatically mean that you are more intelligent or wise or experienced either. Just that you are good at or disciplined enough to pass exams.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Nov 16 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Is it a coincidence that this demographic contributed significantly to the Leave result as well as the Trump victory? Your sneering, patronising assessment says to me that whilst you consider yourself on the side of the 'working man', you don't want him to voice an opinion because it contradicts yours, you want him to just shut up and vote for whatever socialist party you support because you know what's best for him. Beautiful.
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| DanH SW2 09 Nov 16 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Is it a coincidence that this demographic contributed significantly to the Leave result as well as the Trump victory? Your sneering, patronising assessment says to me that whilst you consider yourself on the side of the 'working man', you don't want him to voice an opinion because it contradicts yours, you want him to just shut up and vote for whatever socialist party you support because you know what's best for him. I haven't concluded anything or commented one way or another. Just looking at the voting patterns - I find it interesting.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 09 Nov 16 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Worth listening to LBC Radio's James O'Brien's take on the matter: James o'brien is a sanctimonious, condescending smug prick. I tuned i especially this morning in the hope he might commit suicide live on air but unfortunately not. Instead it was the usual, they dont know what they are doing, the world will end soon because unless you agree with my spin on things you are too stupid to deserve the vote. He does the same over the EU referendum. c***. (feel better now)
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 09 Nov 16 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
At least it wasn't sarah palin Would
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Nov 16 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Would Definitely would.
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| Rubin 09 Nov 16 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
No - no she really really didn't. I know people were happy to accept this narrative but it is utter rubbish. I don't know about the emails. I have a lot of sympathy when Trump complained you couldn't properly review 650k emails in a couple of days, but to date nothing has been proven. She is not a criminal. Or if she is then Trump is a kiddie-fiddler (court case next month). Innocent until proven for both or neither. Ok, looking elsewhere it appears the smears bit could be tenuous, but it's a bit wrong in my opinion to claim you're a president for children and women when you're prepared to knowingly defend a guilty child rapist. With regards to the emails, again, we'll have to wait and see what happens, but it's come out that she instructed her maiden to print classified emails for her [Link] which could spell trouble. She also 'couldn't remember' a lot of things during the investigation [Link] , and now that she's not running for the presidency, the FBI might not be as lenient (the case is still open).
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 Nov 16 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Tell me, what does Michelle Obama stand for and what are her policies? Don't let policies get in the way of a good betting proposition Matt. She's black, female and with a well placed apostrophe in her surname will appeal to the Irish American contingent. She'd also find support in today's digital world, unlike this election's runner-up who's greetings card empire is so yesterday.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 Nov 16 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
patronising my *rse ... you don't have to be a pseudo intellectual bleeding heart liberal to be depressed at having a psycho pussy grabber as president. Either introduce an IQ test to disbar brainless freaks from voting or have some jury service element brought into democracy ... old fashioned REPRESENTATIVE democracy is failing, it's being subverted by a conspiracy of evil jokers and morons. I like and respect thoughtful open-minded people from whatever class thy choose to be identified with, but sod democracy - Trumpers should all definitely be shot - not all Brexiteers mind, just most of them At last....the voice of reason
Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry. |
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
patronising my *rse ... you don't have to be a pseudo intellectual bleeding heart liberal to be depressed at having a psycho pussy grabber as president. Either introduce an IQ test to disbar brainless freaks from voting or have some jury service element brought into democracy ... old fashioned REPRESENTATIVE democracy is failing, it's being subverted by a conspiracy of evil jokers and morons. I like and respect thoughtful open-minded people from whatever class thy choose to be identified with, but sod democracy - Trumpers should all definitely be shot - not all Brexiteers mind, just most of them
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