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Foxy82 24 Jan 21 9.34am
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf*ers Ooo does Bwexit make you want to cwy? Waaaaa 😂 Red & Blue SInce 1982

Foxy82

24 Jan 21 9.34am

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me.

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

Ooo does Bwexit make you want to cwy? Waaaaa 😂

Red & Blue SInce 1982

The Dolphin 24 Jan 21 9.35am
Originally posted by Matov Maybe I am thicker skinned than most but I feel it is fair comment. If this is how the person truly feels then it is for the best it is out there. Personally, I feel that Brexit would never have happened without such a mindset being allowed to freely express itself and as such, we owe a real debt to the person concerned. Better somebody tells you how they feel rather than act all sly and mealy-mouthed. I am thick skinned but to call over 17m people racists just because they disagree with your views is ridiculous and also slanderous if you want to take it to the nth degree. I had my reasons for voting to leave and not one of them even remotely had anything to do with race/immigration. So - he/she is out of order in my opinion. Happy to debate but not to sink to vile insults. Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jan 2021 9.36am)

The Dolphin

24 Jan 21 9.35am

Originally posted by Matov

Maybe I am thicker skinned than most but I feel it is fair comment. If this is how the person truly feels then it is for the best it is out there.

Personally, I feel that Brexit would never have happened without such a mindset being allowed to freely express itself and as such, we owe a real debt to the person concerned.

Better somebody tells you how they feel rather than act all sly and mealy-mouthed.

I am thick skinned but to call over 17m people racists just because they disagree with your views is ridiculous and also slanderous if you want to take it to the nth degree.
I had my reasons for voting to leave and not one of them even remotely had anything to do with race/immigration.
So - he/she is out of order in my opinion.
Happy to debate but not to sink to vile insults.

Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jan 2021 9.36am)

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jan 21 9.39am
Some people are worth debating with. Sorry I meant Aren't worth debating with. Edited by Badger11 (24 Jan 2021 12.34pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Jan 21 9.39am

Some people are worth debating with.

Sorry I meant Aren't worth debating with.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Jan 2021 12.34pm)

One more point

silvertop Portishead 24 Jan 21 10.14am
Originally posted by Spiderman And those posh children were put in power by the votes won in the largely working class North. Why was that? Edited by Spiderman (24 Jan 2021 6.47am) Edited by Spiderman (24 Jan 2021 7.00am) Xenophobia. I lived there 3 years. You only have to see a density map to see how isolated the region is. And dont expect any ideological soul mates if you visited. One hard punch in the face and a boot back down the A1 you cockney shandy swilling c?*t.

silvertop

Portishead 24 Jan 21 10.14am

Originally posted by Spiderman

And those posh children were put in power by the votes won in the largely working class North. Why was that?

Edited by Spiderman (24 Jan 2021 6.47am)

Edited by Spiderman (24 Jan 2021 7.00am)

Xenophobia. I lived there 3 years. You only have to see a density map to see how isolated the region is. And dont expect any ideological soul mates if you visited. One hard punch in the face and a boot back down the A1 you cockney shandy swilling c?*t.

silvertop Portishead 24 Jan 21 10.20am
BTW too early to post. It would be a long time before any clear evidence came through on impact even without covid. I still live in a deluded hope that we emerge in some brighter and better world and I have to freely admit that I was wrong. The alternative is too miserable to contemplate.

silvertop

Portishead 24 Jan 21 10.20am

BTW too early to post. It would be a long time before any clear evidence came through on impact even without covid.

I still live in a deluded hope that we emerge in some brighter and better world and I have to freely admit that I was wrong. The alternative is too miserable to contemplate.

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 24 Jan 21 10.45am
Originally posted by kevlee What has Algeria produced as of late other than terrorists? If the move to speak English is to make it easier to come here why is that a good thing? Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic?

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 24 Jan 21 10.45am

Originally posted by kevlee

What has Algeria produced as of late other than terrorists?
If the move to speak English is to make it easier to come here why is that a good thing?

Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic?

chris123 hove actually 24 Jan 21 10.58am
Originally posted by kevlee What has Algeria produced as of late other than terrorists? If the move to speak English is to make it easier to come here why is that a good thing? Used to be rich in agriculture - mainly hydrocarbons now.

chris123

hove actually 24 Jan 21 10.58am

Originally posted by kevlee

What has Algeria produced as of late other than terrorists?
If the move to speak English is to make it easier to come here why is that a good thing?

Used to be rich in agriculture - mainly hydrocarbons now.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 11.25am
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic? Good point. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 11.25am

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic?

Good point.

Red and Blue Army!

npn Crowborough 24 Jan 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherfers F*k me, that got out of hand fast! I had the debate about work opportunities with a friend of mine - she'd spent time living and working in America, and me in Africa, so both been overseas in places with no automatic rights to live or work, you just need to show that your skills are essential. the idea that booze and fags are an important factor for some, and with such vitriol is slightly terrifying

npn

Crowborough 24 Jan 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

F**k me, that got out of hand fast! I had the debate about work opportunities with a friend of mine - she'd spent time living and working in America, and me in Africa, so both been overseas in places with no automatic rights to live or work, you just need to show that your skills are essential. the idea that booze and fags are an important factor for some, and with such vitriol is slightly terrifying

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jan 21 12.35pm
Originally posted by silvertop BTW too early to post. It would be a long time before any clear evidence came through on impact even without covid. I still live in a deluded hope that we emerge in some brighter and better world and I have to freely admit that I was wrong. The alternative is too miserable to contemplate. Fair comment. 6 months to see if the teething problems are sorted and 5 years to see if the economy is booming or suffering I would say. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Jan 21 12.35pm

Originally posted by silvertop

BTW too early to post. It would be a long time before any clear evidence came through on impact even without covid.

I still live in a deluded hope that we emerge in some brighter and better world and I have to freely admit that I was wrong. The alternative is too miserable to contemplate.

Fair comment.

6 months to see if the teething problems are sorted and 5 years to see if the economy is booming or suffering I would say.

One more point

martin2412 Living The Dream 24 Jan 21 12.44pm
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf*ers I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile.

martin2412

Living The Dream 24 Jan 21 12.44pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile.

kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 24 Jan 21 12.53pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic? I think it would make me feel better if it was Arabic. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

kevlee

born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 24 Jan 21 12.53pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

Wouldn’t you rather be blown up in your own language than in Arabic?

I think it would make me feel better if it was Arabic.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

Matov 24 Jan 21 12.56pm
Originally posted by martin2412 I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile. Absolutely. The power of a small tick in a box to enable us to leave rent-free in the heads of Remoaners is quite delicious. The ultimate electoral gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving. When they ask me why I voted Leave I don't even bother giving them any real reasons. Zero-point. Utter waste of effort because they are intellectually incapable of dealing with any reasoned argument. Instead, just throwing out flippant comments like 'bendy bananas' or 'because I tossed a coin'. Their reactions are glorious to behold. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Jan 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by martin2412

I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile.

Absolutely. The power of a small tick in a box to enable us to leave rent-free in the heads of Remoaners is quite delicious.

The ultimate electoral gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving.

When they ask me why I voted Leave I don't even bother giving them any real reasons. Zero-point. Utter waste of effort because they are intellectually incapable of dealing with any reasoned argument. Instead, just throwing out flippant comments like 'bendy bananas' or 'because I tossed a coin'. Their reactions are glorious to behold.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Eaglecoops CR3 24 Jan 21 1.10pm
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf*ers Which way did you vote?

Eaglecoops

CR3 24 Jan 21 1.10pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

Which way did you vote?

BlueJay UK 24 Jan 21 1.12pm
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf*ers No come on. Tell us what you really think . As with any decision, it is useful to ask people why they voted as they did and apply at least some thought to that, rather than solely apply such shocking and absolute broad strokes.

BlueJay

UK 24 Jan 21 1.12pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

No come on. Tell us what you really think .

As with any decision, it is useful to ask people why they voted as they did and apply at least some thought to that, rather than solely apply such shocking and absolute broad strokes.

Stirlingsays 24 Jan 21 1.26pm
Originally posted by martin2412 I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile. You have to admire the conviction, if not perhaps the direction of it.. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

24 Jan 21 1.26pm

Originally posted by martin2412

I do like posts like this, they cheer me up no end, and make my vote even more worthwhile.

You have to admire the conviction, if not perhaps the direction of it..

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

BlueJay UK 24 Jan 21 2.23pm
Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link]

BlueJay

UK 24 Jan 21 2.23pm

Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link]

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 2.36pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link] Personally, I see this as the EU not living up to their side of the deal. I saw the text of the deal said that the UK was to have a free trade deal. Tariff free, duty free but could be customs checked to ensure compliance. Then, living in the EU as I am, I find UK goods are now marked up with duties or some silly fees. Apparently the excuse is that if a good is not British then its point of origin needs to be checked. Firstly, why would this not be the case in all EU countries? If something is Chinese, it's Chinese, not European. Secondly, goods are not tariff and duty free if costs are being added on. Therefore, completely against the spirit of any deal. If I were the British government I would immediately cut all access to fishing waters and add equivalent costs to all EU products. I wouldn't hesitate to do this. This is totally against the spirit of the deal that was done. And this would be seen as the EU breaking International law, if anyone had the balls to say it Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 2.36pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link]

Personally, I see this as the EU not living up to their side of the deal. I saw the text of the deal said that the UK was to have a free trade deal. Tariff free, duty free but could be customs checked to ensure compliance. Then, living in the EU as I am, I find UK goods are now marked up with duties or some silly fees. Apparently the excuse is that if a good is not British then its point of origin needs to be checked.
Firstly, why would this not be the case in all EU countries? If something is Chinese, it's Chinese, not European.
Secondly, goods are not tariff and duty free if costs are being added on. Therefore, completely against the spirit of any deal.
If I were the British government I would immediately cut all access to fishing waters and add equivalent costs to all EU products. I wouldn't hesitate to do this. This is totally against the spirit of the deal that was done. And this would be seen as the EU breaking International law, if anyone had the balls to say it

Red and Blue Army!

cryrst The garden of England 24 Jan 21 3.10pm
Originally posted by CPFC1965 I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining. We've left and the s* is about to hit the fan big style . When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me. If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first. If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf*ers Young wissie I reckon

cryrst

The garden of England 24 Jan 21 3.10pm

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

Young wissie I reckon

BlueJay UK 24 Jan 21 3.32pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Personally, I see this as the EU not living up to their side of the deal. I saw the text of the deal said that the UK was to have a free trade deal. Tariff free, duty free but could be customs checked to ensure compliance. Then, living in the EU as I am, I find UK goods are now marked up with duties or some silly fees. Apparently the excuse is that if a good is not British then its point of origin needs to be checked. Firstly, why would this not be the case in all EU countries? If something is Chinese, it's Chinese, not European. Secondly, goods are not tariff and duty free if costs are being added on. Therefore, completely against the spirit of any deal. If I were the British government I would immediately cut all access to fishing waters and add equivalent costs to all EU products. I wouldn't hesitate to do this. This is totally against the spirit of the deal that was done. And this would be seen as the EU breaking International law, if anyone had the balls to say it You may well have a good point there, that there is intention to throw a spanner in the works, partially to dissuade other countries from seeing leaving as a success. I saw no problem with keeping these aspects of trade precisely as they were. I did find this explanation which is essentially exactly in line with what you've said: Quote The UK-EU free trade deal agreed before Xmas 2020 allows customs free trade but only if the goods originate in the UK or EU. This is complicated. Literally 100s of pages of rules. But if a UK seller imports goods from China then they clearly did not originate in the UK. The seller is now in an uncompetitive position if they try to sell in Holland or anywhere else in the EU. Because the goods did not originate in the UK, so aren't covered by the trade deal, customs duty is added by the Holland government. If OP had bought these goods in Holland (or anywhere else in the EU), he'd get them cheaper than the UK because there's no customs duties for him to pay – meaning UK sellers have basically had the whole of the EU marketplace denied them if they're selling goods from China. And China is responsible for pretty much everything – from the computer I'm typing this on, to the shoes I'm wearing, to the mug I'm drinking coffee out of. What I've described above isn't going to "get sorted out" and fixed. This is the switching off the entire EU marketplace for UK sellers – unless they manufacture goods themselves using materials originated also in the UK or EU. So like you say, either it's not living up to the spirit of the agreement, or a lax approach to actually knowing what we've agreed to in the first place. It certainly would appear to put our businesses at an unfair disadvantage so it would be good if actin was taken or at least the situation acknowledged by government.

BlueJay

UK 24 Jan 21 3.32pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

You may well have a good point there, that there is intention to throw a spanner in the works, partially to dissuade other countries from seeing leaving as a success. I saw no problem with keeping these aspects of trade precisely as they were.

I did find this explanation which is essentially exactly in line with what you've said:

Quote The UK-EU free trade deal agreed before Xmas 2020 allows customs free trade but only if the goods originate in the UK or EU.

This is complicated. Literally 100s of pages of rules. But if a UK seller imports goods from China then they clearly did not originate in the UK. The seller is now in an uncompetitive position if they try to sell in Holland or anywhere else in the EU.

Because the goods did not originate in the UK, so aren't covered by the trade deal, customs duty is added by the Holland government.

If OP had bought these goods in Holland (or anywhere else in the EU), he'd get them cheaper than the UK because there's no customs duties for him to pay – meaning UK sellers have basically had the whole of the EU marketplace denied them if they're selling goods from China. And China is responsible for pretty much everything – from the computer I'm typing this on, to the shoes I'm wearing, to the mug I'm drinking coffee out of.

What I've described above isn't going to "get sorted out" and fixed. This is the switching off the entire EU marketplace for UK sellers – unless they manufacture goods themselves using materials originated also in the UK or EU.

So like you say, either it's not living up to the spirit of the agreement, or a lax approach to actually knowing what we've agreed to in the first place. It certainly would appear to put our businesses at an unfair disadvantage so it would be good if actin was taken or at least the situation acknowledged by government.

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