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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 16 Aug 22 9.05pm
Originally posted by sydtheeagle Have you ever been to Selhurst? Seriously? Because about the one thing it doesn't have an issue with is public transport. Trains and buses all over the place. As for cars and parking, well, policy these days is to try to discourage driving but unless you're going to go well away from the Selhurst area (outside the M25) you're going to have the same issues with traffic volume wherever you are. And I don't think many of us would want that sort of relocation. Options to me are 1. Liverpool (which is what we're doing essentially). Rebuild the existing stadium stand-by-stand and keep the home we all love or 2. Tottenham (rip and replace on the same site) which, given the likely cost, is probably an even less attractive option than 1. Option 3, the totally new stadium on a totally new site is, for me at least, by far the least appealing of all. That, admittedly, is just my personal taste. Yes I have from a child on wards. You are delusional the transport is awful. I have used public and my own transport. When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great. If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible. This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is. I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world. On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people. Its a limitation of the area. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]

grumpymort

US/Thailand/UK 16 Aug 22 9.05pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Have you ever been to Selhurst? Seriously? Because about the one thing it doesn't have an issue with is public transport. Trains and buses all over the place. As for cars and parking, well, policy these days is to try to discourage driving but unless you're going to go well away from the Selhurst area (outside the M25) you're going to have the same issues with traffic volume wherever you are. And I don't think many of us would want that sort of relocation.

Options to me are 1. Liverpool (which is what we're doing essentially). Rebuild the existing stadium stand-by-stand and keep the home we all love or 2. Tottenham (rip and replace on the same site) which, given the likely cost, is probably an even less attractive option than 1. Option 3, the totally new stadium on a totally new site is, for me at least, by far the least appealing of all. That, admittedly, is just my personal taste.

Yes I have from a child on wards.

You are delusional the transport is awful.

I have used public and my own transport.

When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great.

If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible.

This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is.

I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world.

On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people.

Its a limitation of the area.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Aug 22 11.03pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The Les Parry mentioned in the article seems a bit of an activist and a member of the Croydon Tenants Association. Oh and he is also a bin dipper The Afro, thick tache and shell suit is a dead giveaway. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Aug 22 11.03pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

The Les Parry mentioned in the article seems a bit of an activist and a member of the Croydon Tenants Association.
Oh and he is also a bin dipper

The Afro, thick tache and shell suit is a dead giveaway.

Pro USA & Israel

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Aug 22 4.43pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Funnily enough was having this discussion with the wife earlier. Her only knowledge of Palace is what I tell her ( although she doesn’t believe we are in the CL ) She suggested looking at some of the land towards M25 after Coulsdon, Hooley way I have said that for years but the remaining local support has never been happy with that idea. When I lived in walking distance of the ground, I suppose it suited me fine, but football is a different game now. You have to grow as a club or you sink. Ultimately, Selhurst will be a ball and chain to our progression.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Aug 22 4.43pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Funnily enough was having this discussion with the wife earlier. Her only knowledge of Palace is what I tell her ( although she doesn’t believe we are in the CL )
She suggested looking at some of the land towards M25 after Coulsdon, Hooley way

I have said that for years but the remaining local support has never been happy with that idea. When I lived in walking distance of the ground, I suppose it suited me fine, but football is a different game now. You have to grow as a club or you sink. Ultimately, Selhurst will be a ball and chain to our progression.

est1905 17 Aug 22 4.53pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Yes I have from a child on wards. You are delusional the transport is awful. I have used public and my own transport. When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great. If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible. This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is. I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world. On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people. Its a limitation of the area. You're talking tripe mate. Selhurst is serviced by Selhurst, Thornton Heath and Norwood Jn stations, all walking distance. Parking is fine. If you get there between 1pm and 2pm (for a 3pm ko) there is always spaces in Sainsbury. People that say Selhurst is terrible to find and to get to are either armchair fans that never go or they are Northern fans that do not understand the London rail network. I wonder which one you are

est1905

17 Aug 22 4.53pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

Yes I have from a child on wards.

You are delusional the transport is awful.

I have used public and my own transport.

When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great.

If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible.

This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is.

I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world.

On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people.

Its a limitation of the area.

You're talking tripe mate. Selhurst is serviced by Selhurst, Thornton Heath and Norwood Jn stations, all walking distance. Parking is fine. If you get there between 1pm and 2pm (for a 3pm ko) there is always spaces in Sainsbury.
People that say Selhurst is terrible to find and to get to are either armchair fans that never go or they are Northern fans that do not understand the London rail network.
I wonder which one you are

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 22 5.01pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Yes I have from a child on wards. You are delusional the transport is awful. I have used public and my own transport. When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great. If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible. This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is. I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world. On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people. Its a limitation of the area. The public transport links to Selhurst are good. Of course, traffic can be a nightmare but that is due to location. I drive every home game and use JustPark paying £6 per game. Never a problem, usually home in Horsham by 6.30

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 22 5.01pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

Yes I have from a child on wards.

You are delusional the transport is awful.

I have used public and my own transport.

When we was in Championship I booked a box and parking spot I had to turn up 3 hours before to get in and it still was not great.

If you live just up the road may not be an issue or a few other places in London but otherwise terrible.

This is why you even hear players etc mention about it and Sky people say how terrible it is.

I met up with friends and they even said about how awful the transport was they have been to groups all over the world.

On paper it may sound good 3 stations etc but its not and really is not fit for disabled people.

Its a limitation of the area.

The public transport links to Selhurst are good. Of course, traffic can be a nightmare but that is due to location. I drive every home game and use JustPark paying £6 per game. Never a problem, usually home in Horsham by 6.30

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 22 5.10pm
At least it hasn't dragged on with no sign of anything actually happening. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 22 5.10pm

At least it hasn't dragged on with no sign of anything actually happening.

Red and Blue Army!

Eaglecoops CR3 17 Aug 22 5.13pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The public transport links to Selhurst are good. Of course, traffic can be a nightmare but that is due to location. I drive every home game and use JustPark paying £6 per game. Never a problem, usually home in Horsham by 6.30 Traffic is normally busy but ok, takes 40 minutes from Warlingham area to Sainsburys car park. Fortunately have a reserved spot so arrive 2 hours before kick off get right on it and then get someone else to drive home. Perfect!

Eaglecoops

CR3 17 Aug 22 5.13pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Traffic is normally busy but ok, takes 40 minutes from Warlingham area to Sainsburys car park. Fortunately have a reserved spot so arrive 2 hours before kick off get right on it and then get someone else to drive home. Perfect!

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Sep 22 5.35pm
Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing? Thoughts/insights This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Sep 22 5.35pm

Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing?

Thoughts/insights

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 22 5.42pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing? Thoughts/insights Yup, however it doesn't give any details about how many people are objecting? One man and his dog? There is one well known activist a man who lives in a 4 bedroom council house with his wife and is not happy. Perhaps the council have only offered him a smaller place or not enough compensation? There is always going to be grumbles from the locals but they chose to live near a stadium just like the Heathrow 3rd runway protestors who bought cheap under the flight path. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Sep 22 5.42pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing?

Thoughts/insights

Yup, however it doesn't give any details about how many people are objecting? One man and his dog?

There is one well known activist a man who lives in a 4 bedroom council house with his wife and is not happy. Perhaps the council have only offered him a smaller place or not enough compensation?

There is always going to be grumbles from the locals but they chose to live near a stadium just like the Heathrow 3rd runway protestors who bought cheap under the flight path.

One more point

silvertop Portishead 20 Sep 22 5.46pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing? Thoughts/insights I used to work in local government and I have seen wholly partial one-sided "news" reports like this before. I suspect the matters set out will present a stumbling block and delay the project while the authority takes on board the observations of these protest groups. However, the emotive element of making people "homeless" and so on renders this article today's chip wrap, let alone tomorrow's.

silvertop

Portishead 20 Sep 22 5.46pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Just seen this on click-bait . . . [Link] worrying or nothing?

Thoughts/insights

I used to work in local government and I have seen wholly partial one-sided "news" reports like this before.

I suspect the matters set out will present a stumbling block and delay the project while the authority takes on board the observations of these protest groups. However, the emotive element of making people "homeless" and so on renders this article today's chip wrap, let alone tomorrow's.

Stirlingsays 20 Sep 22 6.15pm
We never seem able to catch a break with stuff like this. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Sep 22 6.15pm

We never seem able to catch a break with stuff like this.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dreamwaverider London 20 Sep 22 8.11pm
Parish must have so much patience. This would do my head in.

dreamwaverider

London 20 Sep 22 8.11pm

Parish must have so much patience. This would do my head in.

orpingtoneagle Orpington 20 Sep 22 9.00pm
I hear we have booked King George to open the new stand, it will probably be one of this first acts after succeeding his father William as King

orpingtoneagle

Orpington 20 Sep 22 9.00pm

I hear we have booked King George to open the new stand, it will probably be one of this first acts after succeeding his father William as King

Spiderman Horsham 20 Sep 22 9.30pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Yup, however it doesn't give any details about how many people are objecting? One man and his dog? There is one well known activist a man who lives in a 4 bedroom council house with his wife and is not happy. Perhaps the council have only offered him a smaller place or not enough compensation? There is always going to be grumbles from the locals but they chose to live near a stadium just like the Heathrow 3rd runway protestors who bought cheap under the flight path. Yes the vocal complainant is a Scouser, ex-Union official. I suspect he will not be entitled to a 4 bed house should he be moved. He is a tenant not an owner. Perhaps he believes bigger compensation ay be had! The stand will be 141ft at its peak, not 300ft. Sensationalism at its finest Edited by Spiderman (20 Sep 2022 9.35pm)

Spiderman

Horsham 20 Sep 22 9.30pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup, however it doesn't give any details about how many people are objecting? One man and his dog?

There is one well known activist a man who lives in a 4 bedroom council house with his wife and is not happy. Perhaps the council have only offered him a smaller place or not enough compensation?

There is always going to be grumbles from the locals but they chose to live near a stadium just like the Heathrow 3rd runway protestors who bought cheap under the flight path.

Yes the vocal complainant is a Scouser, ex-Union official. I suspect he will not be entitled to a 4 bed house should he be moved. He is a tenant not an owner. Perhaps he believes bigger compensation ay be had!
The stand will be 141ft at its peak, not 300ft. Sensationalism at its finest

Edited by Spiderman (20 Sep 2022 9.35pm)

Mapletree Croydon 20 Sep 22 11.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We never seem able to catch a break with stuff like this. Don’t worry. Total bollix. Hateful stirring bunch of whining nobodies at Inside Croydon. As said, this is a puff piece, there won’t be rioting in the streets. This is heading rapidly to a compulsory purchase order.

Mapletree

Croydon 20 Sep 22 11.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We never seem able to catch a break with stuff like this.

Don’t worry. Total bollix. Hateful stirring bunch of whining nobodies at Inside Croydon. As said, this is a puff piece, there won’t be rioting in the streets. This is heading rapidly to a compulsory purchase order.

pax3908 21 Sep 22 12.22am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Parish must have so much patience. This would do my head in. With all the crap going on,why don't the club just bite the bullet and move up the road to the Crystal palace athletic track and build a purpose built one that suits all!!

pax3908

21 Sep 22 12.22am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Parish must have so much patience. This would do my head in.

With all the crap going on,why don't the club just bite the bullet and move up the road to the Crystal palace athletic track and build a purpose built one that suits all!!

becky over the moon 21 Sep 22 6.56am
Originally posted by pax3908 With all the crap going on,why don't the club just bite the bullet and move up the road to the Crystal palace athletic track and build a purpose built one that suits all!! Because the NIMBY's put the kybosh on that one years ago - let alone the added problems of having to deal with the 4/5Local Authorities that all border the Park! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 21 Sep 22 6.56am

Originally posted by pax3908

With all the crap going on,why don't the club just bite the bullet and move up the road to the Crystal palace athletic track and build a purpose built one that suits all!!

Because the NIMBY's put the kybosh on that one years ago - let alone the added problems of having to deal with the 4/5Local Authorities that all border the Park!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Spiderman Horsham 21 Sep 22 8.06am
Originally posted by Mapletree Don’t worry. Total bollix. Hateful stirring bunch of whining nobodies at Inside Croydon. As said, this is a puff piece, there won’t be rioting in the streets. This is heading rapidly to a compulsory purchase order. Am I right in thinking that only 1 house is privately owned, the rest were Council but now Housing Association? If the HA are happy and so is the 1 owner, would a CPA be necessary? Article also wrong about the height of the stand Why is that paper anti-Palace? Edited by Spiderman (21 Sep 2022 8.11am)

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Sep 22 8.06am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Am I right in thinking that only 1 house is privately owned, the rest were Council but now Housing Association? If the HA are happy and so is the 1 owner, would a CPA be necessary? Article also wrong about the height of the stand
Why is that paper anti-Palace?

Edited by Spiderman (21 Sep 2022 8.11am)

dreamwaverider London 21 Sep 22 8.56am
Originally posted by becky Because the NIMBY's put the kybosh on that one years ago - let alone the added problems of having to deal with the 4/5Local Authorities that all border the Park! That was years ago. It’s all Bromley Council ( nightmare but which isn’t?). If we got together with the Thai consortium who wanted to re instate the Crystal Palace at the top of the park as a shopping centre, the park could have massive parking facilities at multiple entrances. Plus new sports facilities, hotels and apartments AND keep plenty of parkland. Currently the place is virtually derelict. A real health and safety nightmare. CPFC could help create something really special which would hugely benefit locals. It’s got it’s own railway link/station and where the current stadium is we could build a magnificent stadium modelled on the new stand proposal for Selhurst and more. A 40,000 seater there would be fantastic and elevate us right to the top. With Dexter Harris and Blitzer money they could create one of the best football parks in the world. Edited by dreamwaverider (21 Sep 2022 9.01am)

dreamwaverider

London 21 Sep 22 8.56am

Originally posted by becky

Because the NIMBY's put the kybosh on that one years ago - let alone the added problems of having to deal with the 4/5Local Authorities that all border the Park!

That was years ago. It’s all Bromley Council ( nightmare but which isn’t?).
If we got together with the Thai consortium who wanted to re instate the Crystal Palace at the top of the park as a shopping centre, the park could have massive parking facilities at multiple entrances. Plus new sports facilities, hotels and apartments AND keep plenty of parkland. Currently the place is virtually derelict. A real health and safety nightmare.
CPFC could help create something really special which would hugely benefit locals.
It’s got it’s own railway link/station and where the current stadium is we could build a magnificent stadium modelled on the new stand proposal for Selhurst and more. A 40,000 seater there would be fantastic and elevate us right to the top. With Dexter Harris and Blitzer money they could create one of the best football parks in the world.

Edited by dreamwaverider (21 Sep 2022 9.01am)

Mapletree Croydon 21 Sep 22 9.28am
Originally posted by Spiderman Am I right in thinking that only 1 house is privately owned, the rest were Council but now Housing Association? If the HA are happy and so is the 1 owner, would a CPA be necessary? Article also wrong about the height of the stand Why is that paper anti-Palace? Edited by Spiderman (21 Sep 2022 8.11am) A CPO was threatened on Sainsburys for its use of a ransom strip. The threat comes from the Council and should be sufficient to force a deal without an actual CPO Inside Croydon has zero morals and will do anything for attention without presenting balance. Shame as Croydon is fertile ground given its history. CPA is an Association This is to take capacity to 34,259

Mapletree

Croydon 21 Sep 22 9.28am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Edited by Spiderman (21 Sep 2022 8.11am)

A CPO was threatened on Sainsburys for its use of a ransom strip. The threat comes from the Council and should be sufficient to force a deal without an actual CPO

Inside Croydon has zero morals and will do anything for attention without presenting balance. Shame as Croydon is fertile ground given its history.

CPA is an Association

This is to take capacity to 34,259

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