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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Who would you play? Our dynamic non scoring midfielder in Schlupp, or our somewhat rather lazy Edouard. Neither offer a great deal on the left side. I think I prefer to give Franca a go. Right now, we don't have many options. I'd start him all the time Olise is injured but only through lack of choice.
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Originally posted by est1905
He didn't improve as he went along. He was still making positional and defensive errors right up to the end. Equally he still did a few good things going forward right up to the end. He is new to football and life in this country. Also, there is the language issue. Hopefully, he will overcome these setbacks and get adjusted when he starting to know more people whether from his own country or local here.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Thought he offered us our only outlet through his pace over a few yards and that he gave Chelsea something to think about so he as to be picked on that basis alone. But he was dispossessed very easily and literally presented the ball to the defender a couple of times when faced up just as he did Mykolenko. Wharton was great. Busy, composed and quick to spot a forward pass. Despite his failings, Franca is a teenager who speaks little English, has moved from another continent to a new style of football. I don’t remember Olise setting the world alight on his first few matches even after his injuries but he was given the chance to improve. I saw enough to give me hope that he may develop to become a decent Premier League player hopefully with us.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Thought he offered us our only outlet through his pace over a few yards and that he gave Chelsea something to think about so he as to be picked on that basis alone. But he was dispossessed very easily and literally presented the ball to the defender a couple of times when faced up just as he did Mykolenko. Wharton was great. Busy, composed and quick to spot a forward pass. yes, that is my biggest concern. Happy to give the guy time as he is young and is adapting to a new country etc, however, surely a skilful player will have a few tricks up his sleeve. If we are going to play him i would prefer to see him in the Eze/No10 role as he seems more suited to that.
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Originally posted by Norbury Old Git
Despite his failings, Franca is a teenager who speaks little English, has moved from another continent to a new style of football. I don’t remember Olise setting the world alight on his first few matches even after his injuries but he was given the chance to improve. I saw enough to give me hope that he may develop to become a decent Premier League player hopefully with us. for accuracy Olise arrived injured so was slowly introduced to the team from the bench from Sept onwards. He scored quite early into his Palace career as a sub v Leicester and also had a hand in a couple of goals. In October he was given his 1st start v Newcastle, before he went back onto the bench. He was a regular starter from Jan onwards, after his impressive performance v Millwall. Comparing Olise and Franca is a little unfair however if you do, Olise's impact was clearly greater.
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
One goal and one assist in 1200+ minutes this season. Three goals and two assists in 2600+ minutes last season. That is simply nowhere near good enough for a team who are struggling to score, especially when we already have Ayew on the other wing. The last seven games in which Schlupp has played 45 minutes or more, we've won a single point. I'm not pinning the blame just on him for that but he doesn't help. We also conceded 20 goals in that run so it's not like he's some defensive colossus who helps us keep a tight ship. We simply cannot have a front three of Schlupp, Ayew and Mateta, all of whom are goal shy. If it's not going to be Franca, it has to be Edoaurd. Completely agree - Schlupp is just about acceptable in a midfield 3, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the forward positions these days. As you say, him Ayew and JP as a 3 is just too blunt to be a front line at this level. Franca should be given the opportunity whilst Eze, Olise and JRS are all injured - he looks far from complete but in terms of profile is a much more suitable replacement. For those saying Roy has been vindicated in not playing him all season by that performance; Firstly, I don't think Franca made us a worse team at all, and if anything I'm even more baffled why he's never been given an opportunity before. Chelsea are still a team full of quality, and they have a particularly offensive RB - Franca's defensive naivety is not going to be as obvious as that in every game, and going forward he offers considerably more threat than Schlupp. He didn't look miles out of his depth by any means. Secondly, imagine he had these sort of development opportunities from the start of the season, how much further would he be along by now? The only way to solve naivety is with experience, and Roy's unwillingness to offer him any is just as much to blame. If he was 6 months into playing at this level with regular starts and minutes, I think we'd have a real asset on our hands by now. But Roy has no interest in developing players or finding solutions, so why bother. He has no stake in Franca's development beyond this year, so why take the 'risk' of a few mistakes along the way to aid his development... it would be someone else who benefits from that in future seasons, so no incentive to care.
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I'm sure he will be next season's championship young plaher of the year
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Completely agree - Schlupp is just about acceptable in a midfield 3, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the forward positions these days. As you say, him Ayew and JP as a 3 is just too blunt to be a front line at this level. Franca should be given the opportunity whilst Eze, Olise and JRS are all injured - he looks far from complete but in terms of profile is a much more suitable replacement. For those saying Roy has been vindicated in not playing him all season by that performance; Firstly, I don't think Franca made us a worse team at all, and if anything I'm even more baffled why he's never been given an opportunity before. Chelsea are still a team full of quality, and they have a particularly offensive RB - Franca's defensive naivety is not going to be as obvious as that in every game, and going forward he offers considerably more threat than Schlupp. He didn't look miles out of his depth by any means. Secondly, imagine he had these sort of development opportunities from the start of the season, how much further would he be along by now? The only way to solve naivety is with experience, and Roy's unwillingness to offer him any is just as much to blame. If he was 6 months into playing at this level with regular starts and minutes, I think we'd have a real asset on our hands by now. But Roy has no interest in developing players or finding solutions, so why bother. He has no stake in Franca's development beyond this year, so why take the 'risk' of a few mistakes along the way to aid his development... it would be someone else who benefits from that in future seasons, so no incentive to care. Given your thoughts on Hodgson I think the question should be why did we buy Franca in the first place ? Also worth factoring in is that Franca came to us already carrying an injury which delayed his availability until October - so not the start of the season. He's not had the opportunity to be six months into playing at this level. Hodgson's job is to win football matches. That's his first priority, not player development. His methodology is well known. If he perceives there to be a risk in starting Franca then he's obviously not going to take it. Hodgson's almost been forced into selecting him now, and I really hope Franca comes to be as good as we all hope he will be. Let's also hope that Palace stay up and that with the benefit of a proper pre season under his belt, Franca makes real progress next season.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Given your thoughts on Hodgson I think the question should be why did we buy Franca in the first place ? Also worth factoring in is that Franca came to us already carrying an injury which delayed his availability until October - so not the start of the season. He's not had the opportunity to be six months into playing at this level. Hodgson's job is to win football matches. That's his first priority, not player development. His methodology is well known. If he perceives there to be a risk in starting Franca then he's obviously not going to take it. Hodgson's almost been forced into selecting him now, and I really hope Franca comes to be as good as we all hope he will be. Let's also hope that Palace stay up and that with the benefit of a proper pre season under his belt, Franca makes real progress next season. I think asking why we hired a coach with no interest in young players, having spent the last however many years declaring ourselves as a club focused on developing young players, is a very good question - it’s a complete mismatch between the club and the manager, which is always going to end up being problematic. Ok, call it four months at this level if you want - the point still stands that he could already be a lot more developed than he is. As for the bit in bold, it his job and he’s failing miserably at it. Questions around his priorities and methodologies are perfectly valid when he is failing to do, as you correctly highlight, the main function of his job.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Completely agree - Schlupp is just about acceptable in a midfield 3, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the forward positions these days. As you say, him Ayew and JP as a 3 is just too blunt to be a front line at this level. Franca should be given the opportunity whilst Eze, Olise and JRS are all injured - he looks far from complete but in terms of profile is a much more suitable replacement. For those saying Roy has been vindicated in not playing him all season by that performance; Firstly, I don't think Franca made us a worse team at all, and if anything I'm even more baffled why he's never been given an opportunity before. Chelsea are still a team full of quality, and they have a particularly offensive RB - Franca's defensive naivety is not going to be as obvious as that in every game, and going forward he offers considerably more threat than Schlupp. He didn't look miles out of his depth by any means. Secondly, imagine he had these sort of development opportunities from the start of the season, how much further would he be along by now? The only way to solve naivety is with experience, and Roy's unwillingness to offer him any is just as much to blame. If he was 6 months into playing at this level with regular starts and minutes, I think we'd have a real asset on our hands by now. But Roy has no interest in developing players or finding solutions, so why bother. He has no stake in Franca's development beyond this year, so why take the 'risk' of a few mistakes along the way to aid his development... it would be someone else who benefits from that in future seasons, so no incentive to care. A lot of truth in this. For me the bottom line is Franca is not ready. Roy has been right not to trust him, all the while we are tight and looking for 1-0 wins. Without Olise and Eze we have next to zero attacking intent, so have to throw caution to the wind. And whilst horrible from a positional perspective, he did on occasion give them something to think about. My bigger worry would be the 'extensive' scouting DF put in to the deal, its clear that the boy is nowhere near ready. And worth nowhere near what we paid for him.
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Originally posted by A1969Eagle
Reading these posts, observations. You can tell who was that match. You can who sat at home or in the pub. You can read who has an understanding of team playing and who is clueless, like wise for individual players. It seems those who used to pick on Ayew, need another target. At the match, you see the bigger picture. I was at 1st Matches (starting) for raw Zaha, Wright, Collymore, AWB, Bright to name a few. They all had starts like Franco, raw, giving there all. If you were at the match you see so much more and you aint for one listening to strange commentary! Franco wasn't frightened of trying to make a difference, and he did stretch Chelsea at times... they didnt know how to handle him. So was I. Let's bear in mind the majority of those were learning their trade at a lower level. And I was at the match the other night. Franca has potential and if he can emulate the players you mention ( Stan away from Palace obviously ) playing for Palace, great.
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We've had only two 1-0 wins all season, the second of which was nearly 6 months ago. Originally posted by MrRobbo
A lot of truth in this. For me the bottom line is Franca is not ready. Roy has been right not to trust him, all the while we are tight and looking for 1-0 wins. Without Olise and Eze we have next to zero attacking intent, so have to throw caution to the wind. And whilst horrible from a positional perspective, he did on occasion give them something to think about. My bigger worry would be the 'extensive' scouting DF put in to the deal, its clear that the boy is nowhere near ready. And worth nowhere near what we paid for him.
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
A lot of truth in this. For me the bottom line is Franca is not ready. Roy has been right not to trust him, all the while we are tight and looking for 1-0 wins. Without Olise and Eze we have next to zero attacking intent, so have to throw caution to the wind. And whilst horrible from a positional perspective, he did on occasion give them something to think about. My bigger worry would be the 'extensive' scouting DF put in to the deal, its clear that the boy is nowhere near ready. And worth nowhere near what we paid for him. I get a bit lost on this bit. For what it’s worth, I agree Franca doesn’t look ‘ready’ to regularly impact games at this level, but neither is Schlupp or half of the others he’s competing with. Roy made a decision that we are better off aiming for solidity rather than taking a punt on Franca - since then, we’ve been humped all over the place and failed to achieve anything close to ‘solidity’ - if we’ve given up any hope of creativity, and still failed to make ourselves solid, in what way can Roy be considered correct in his judgement? Both his decision, and the execution of it, have not gone remotely well We don’t know how it would have played out in recent months if Franca had more minutes, but we do know how it has played out when he hasn’t, and it couldn’t be much worse
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