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View palaceontheup's Profile palaceontheup Flag 07 Feb 24 10.13am Send a Private Message to palaceontheup Add palaceontheup as a friend

Done the stadium tour in December just before Xmas and I was half expecting to see Franca sat in his seat (sub bench) with a blank stare at the pitch, tear in eye, and listening to coldplay.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Feb 24 10.23am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by palaceontheup

Done the stadium tour in December just before Xmas and I was half expecting to see Franca sat in his seat (sub bench) with a blank stare at the pitch, tear in eye, and listening to coldplay.

I'm not alone in that plan for Monday then?

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 07 Feb 24 10.28am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Boring old Roy has the ability to destroy young skilful players who would otherwise flourish under a positive thinking coach.
Our only hope for survival is for Roy to be relieved of his duties on Monday,after yet another inevitable,unacceptable defeat and an early Cooper appointment.

Edited by Jacey (06 Feb 2024 9.49pm)

I don't wholly disagree, but this kid is not coming with a pedigree of many first team games. Any coach worth their salt, not just Roy, will say more gradually introduced game time and he may reach the necessary level.

Also, the modern player is a complete player. Any attacker needs to be able to defend and defend well. I reckon I could easily round him with my joints and back. And if there is too strong a breeze, he will blow away.

Game time and heavy weights is what I reckon he needs.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 07 Feb 24 10.36am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I can see where you're coming from,but Brighton , Manchester Utd and Newcastle all have teenagers thriving with all the handicaps you outline for young players.
It's doubtful that Hodgson would play 18 year old Vince Hilaire, who was loved by and thrived under Venables

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Feb 24 10.37am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Boring old Roy has the ability to destroy young skilful players who would otherwise flourish under a positive thinking coach.
Our only hope for survival is for Roy to be relieved of his duties on Monday,after yet another inevitable,unacceptable defeat and an early Cooper appointment.

Edited by Jacey (06 Feb 2024 9.49pm)

Who are / were they then ?

 


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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 07 Feb 24 12.46pm Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

I thought Franca looked good on his little cameo against Man City ( Olise was playing at the same time ) but that aside he has not offered much. Against City he played more centrally which seemed to suit him better. Not sure he is the answer to the role played by Olise on right side of the pitch where Ayew seems better suited.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Feb 24 3.37pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by viveasheagle

I thought Franca looked good on his little cameo against Man City ( Olise was playing at the same time ) but that aside he has not offered much. Against City he played more centrally which seemed to suit him better. Not sure he is the answer to the role played by Olise on right side of the pitch where Ayew seems better suited.


I agree which is why I think he should play in the Eze role. In his cameo at the Etihad, he had their defenders worried, which helped keep them on the back foot for those final 15 minutes.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Feb 24 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

I agree in the central role for Franca.

If Roy is to play the parked bus why not have him sitting in front of it with one or two other for company? I try to avoid clichés, but I've already used one, so could he provide the chaos factor we've seen at Palace down the years which may unnerve and destabilise a team like Chelsea?

 


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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 07 Feb 24 4.20pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

In Roy's defence, Franca hasn't looked up to much whenever he's come on. I remember twice on the weekend him getting shoved off the ball with relative ease. He needs to bulk up / get used to the physical side of the game and fast - else he simply won't survive in this league I don't think.

This is what I have thought for a while now. Franca has had plenty of sub appearances now and has not once grabbed his chance. People talk about liking him and thinking he looks good. I'm curious as to what it is they think is so special about him.
I'm happy to accept that at some point in the future things could just 'click' for him but up to now? He has done nothing. And we only see him in matches. The coaching team see him day in day out in training. There is obviously a good reason why he is not being given more minutes.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Feb 24 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

This is what I have thought for a while now. Franca has had plenty of sub appearances now and has not once grabbed his chance. People talk about liking him and thinking he looks good. I'm curious as to what it is they think is so special about him.
I'm happy to accept that at some point in the future things could just 'click' for him but up to now? He has done nothing. And we only see him in matches. The coaching team see him day in day out in training. There is obviously a good reason why he is not being given more minutes.

I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind us spending the money we did on him... and not first team players of course.

 


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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 08 Feb 24 12.44pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind us spending the money we did on him... and not first team players of course.

Well, this of course is one particular gripe we have that has little to do with Roy. We have known for some time now that Roy has nothing to do with transfers. It was Freedman and the board that identified Franca as either one for the future or a young star. You cant really blame the coaching staff if once he has arrived, settled in and trained with the first team a few weeks they decide they dont fancy him. And I think its a bit unfair some (not all) fans are using this as another stick to beat Roy with. Its the whole coaching staff that work with the players, not just Roy. If Roy was alone in thinking Franca was,nt up to it I'd imagine Ray and Paddy would have been pushing for Franca to get more minutes. The reality is none of the coaches seem overly wowed by him. To hear some palace fans talk he's the next Neymar and Roy has him tied up and gagged and hidden in the dressing room while the game goes on. I have seen the exact same of Franca as everyone else and I (currently) dont see anything special. Certainly not a player that is capable of taking a game by the scruff of the neck and creating somethinmg special. And in the absence of Olise, Eze and Rak-Saki that is what we need.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Feb 24 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

Well, this of course is one particular gripe we have that has little to do with Roy. We have known for some time now that Roy has nothing to do with transfers. It was Freedman and the board that identified Franca as either one for the future or a young star. You cant really blame the coaching staff if once he has arrived, settled in and trained with the first team a few weeks they decide they dont fancy him. And I think its a bit unfair some (not all) fans are using this as another stick to beat Roy with. Its the whole coaching staff that work with the players, not just Roy. If Roy was alone in thinking Franca was,nt up to it I'd imagine Ray and Paddy would have been pushing for Franca to get more minutes. The reality is none of the coaches seem overly wowed by him. To hear some palace fans talk he's the next Neymar and Roy has him tied up and gagged and hidden in the dressing room while the game goes on. I have seen the exact same of Franca as everyone else and I (currently) dont see anything special. Certainly not a player that is capable of taking a game by the scruff of the neck and creating somethinmg special. And in the absence of Olise, Eze and Rak-Saki that is what we need.

Agree sir.

I know the excitement of having a young Brazilian forward is a bit overwhelming for us at Palace however I felt at the time, and still do, that it was luxury we couldn't afford. I'm not shocked if Roy feels the same.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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