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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 19 Jun 24 4.01pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Be very surprised if we approach a German or he (or she) accepts. Howe is standing out a mile. Wonder if he would become as nervous (developing a twitch) and unsure of himself as Gareth. Managing a country is an unenviable task. Patriotism is becoming far less of a driver in most multi cultural countries like England. Therefore you are managing a bunch of exhausted players who are simply playing more and more games. The problem with international management is the lack of time spent with players. Nagelsman is a rare find for Germany and in my opinion why they will shape up to dominate the world stage while he is there. On first game showings they are streets ahead. England is like watching paint dry, we are both boring and frustrating to watch. Im not that fussed if I miss our next games. Compared to the emerging Glasner Palace who are miles ahead in entertainment value. .

rob1969

Banstead Surrey 19 Jun 24 4.01pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Be very surprised if we approach a German or he (or she) accepts.
Howe is standing out a mile.
Wonder if he would become as nervous (developing a twitch) and unsure of himself as Gareth. Managing a country is an unenviable task. Patriotism is becoming far less of a driver in most multi cultural countries like England. Therefore you are managing a bunch of exhausted players who are simply playing more and more games.
The problem with international management is the lack of time spent with players. Nagelsman is a rare find for Germany and in my opinion why they will shape up to dominate the world stage while he is there. On first game showings they are streets ahead.
England is like watching paint dry, we are both boring and frustrating to watch. Im not that fussed if I miss our next games. Compared to the emerging Glasner Palace who are miles ahead in entertainment value.
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YT Oxford 19 Jun 24 4.18pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow As much as it is much more exciting to watch, it's just impossible to play that openly and beat the top sides. They were a goal-line clearance away from drawing with a poor Georgia side, and only won because of two absolute screamers which they're not going to pull out every game. Great to watch but will never win anyone a tournament. As has been ably demonstrated in this thread and in the football records, we don't beat the top sides anyway. So why not 'give it a go' and at least give the fans something to be excited about as we (if you are right) fail yet again, rather than failing with the usual turgidity? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 Jun 24 4.18pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

As much as it is much more exciting to watch, it's just impossible to play that openly and beat the top sides.

They were a goal-line clearance away from drawing with a poor Georgia side, and only won because of two absolute screamers which they're not going to pull out every game.

Great to watch but will never win anyone a tournament.

As has been ably demonstrated in this thread and in the football records, we don't beat the top sides anyway. So why not 'give it a go' and at least give the fans something to be excited about as we (if you are right) fail yet again, rather than failing with the usual turgidity?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Jun 24 4.37pm
Originally posted by YT As has been ably demonstrated in this thread and in the football records, we don't beat the top sides anyway. So why not 'give it a go' and at least give the fans something to be excited about as we (if you are right) fail yet again, rather than failing with the usual turgidity? I think fans finding getting to finals and semi-finals exciting.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 19 Jun 24 4.37pm

Originally posted by YT

I think fans finding getting to finals and semi-finals exciting.

YT Oxford 19 Jun 24 4.40pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I think fans finding getting to finals and semi-finals exciting. That's fine, then, if they are happy with failure. One final, by the way. Singular. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 Jun 24 4.40pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think fans finding getting to finals and semi-finals exciting.

That's fine, then, if they are happy with failure. One final, by the way. Singular.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Jun 24 4.46pm
Originally posted by YT That's fine, then, if they are happy with failure. One final, by the way. Singular. And only in international tournament is everything bar winning a trophy considered failure. Palace's entire existence has been a failure. We were all just being happy with failure under Glasner. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (19 Jun 2024 4.47pm)

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 19 Jun 24 4.46pm

Originally posted by YT

That's fine, then, if they are happy with failure. One final, by the way. Singular.

And only in international tournament is everything bar winning a trophy considered failure.

Palace's entire existence has been a failure. We were all just being happy with failure under Glasner.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (19 Jun 2024 4.47pm)

YT Oxford 19 Jun 24 5.16pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And only in international tournament is everything bar winning a trophy considered failure. Palace's entire existence has been a failure. We were all just being happy with failure under Glasner. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (19 Jun 2024 4.47pm) OK I admit to a wrong choice of word. It should have been under-achievement relative to what ought to be attainable given the quality players available. I'm not going to rehearse this thread and the England Manager thread all over again, but player statistics show that England has a high proportion of the best players in Europe, but they play a style of football that fails to make use of that quality. Your comparison to CPFC is curious. We have perhaps a handful of decent players but they are far from the best in the league. Under one manager the team was cautious and some would say turgid and not particularly successful; under another manager it's exciting and successful. I know which I'd rather watch. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 Jun 24 5.16pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And only in international tournament is everything bar winning a trophy considered failure.

Palace's entire existence has been a failure. We were all just being happy with failure under Glasner.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (19 Jun 2024 4.47pm)

OK I admit to a wrong choice of word. It should have been under-achievement relative to what ought to be attainable given the quality players available. I'm not going to rehearse this thread and the England Manager thread all over again, but player statistics show that England has a high proportion of the best players in Europe, but they play a style of football that fails to make use of that quality. Your comparison to CPFC is curious. We have perhaps a handful of decent players but they are far from the best in the league. Under one manager the team was cautious and some would say turgid and not particularly successful; under another manager it's exciting and successful. I know which I'd rather watch.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jun 24 5.18pm
Have we won yet? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Jun 24 5.18pm

Have we won yet?

Red and Blue Army!

Hannes Vienna 19 Jun 24 9.58pm
All Scots here on holmesdale.net: Great game against Switzerland and for me the best so far at the European Championships. At last a team that is turning all strategy on its head and giving the crowd something. Too bad you didn't win, you would have deserved it.

Hannes

Vienna 19 Jun 24 9.58pm

All Scots here on holmesdale.net: Great game against Switzerland and for me the best so far at the European Championships. At last a team that is turning all strategy on its head and giving the crowd something. Too bad you didn't win, you would have deserved it.

MFW94 Sutton 20 Jun 24 8.32am
Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that? Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either. Brazil in 2002 went in to the world cup on the back of 5 losses and ronaldo was unfit, and again played 2 holding midfielders with a back 5. they of course ended up winning the thing by beating Turkey X2, Costa Rica, China, Belgium, England and Germany - hardly played any of the big boys did they until the final. And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw.

MFW94

Sutton 20 Jun 24 8.32am

Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that?

Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either.

Brazil in 2002 went in to the world cup on the back of 5 losses and ronaldo was unfit, and again played 2 holding midfielders with a back 5. they of course ended up winning the thing by beating Turkey X2, Costa Rica, China, Belgium, England and Germany - hardly played any of the big boys did they until the final.

And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw.

silvertop Portishead 20 Jun 24 9.53am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Be very surprised if we approach a German or he (or she) accepts. Howe is standing out a mile. Wonder if he would become as nervous (developing a twitch) and unsure of himself as Gareth. Managing a country is an unenviable task. Patriotism is becoming far less of a driver in most multi cultural countries like England. Therefore you are managing a bunch of exhausted players who are simply playing more and more games. The problem with international management is the lack of time spent with players. Nagelsman is a rare find for Germany and in my opinion why they will shape up to dominate the world stage while he is there. On first game showings they are streets ahead. England is like watching paint dry, we are both boring and frustrating to watch. Im not that fussed if I miss our next games. Compared to the emerging Glasner Palace who are miles ahead in entertainment value. . Or, indeed, an Austrian? We've had an Italian and a Swede so why not? I suspect our structure has changed since the FA sat in that room about 14 years ago and planned for winning the 2022 WC. And we were only a missed penalty away. It is a large behemoth where everything is precisely planned and choreographed and where the "head coach" is little more than a presentable mouth piece. Howe maybe, but I would be surprised if Glasner would take a role where his influence is largely cosmetic and peripheral.

silvertop

Portishead 20 Jun 24 9.53am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Be very surprised if we approach a German or he (or she) accepts.
Howe is standing out a mile.
Wonder if he would become as nervous (developing a twitch) and unsure of himself as Gareth. Managing a country is an unenviable task. Patriotism is becoming far less of a driver in most multi cultural countries like England. Therefore you are managing a bunch of exhausted players who are simply playing more and more games.
The problem with international management is the lack of time spent with players. Nagelsman is a rare find for Germany and in my opinion why they will shape up to dominate the world stage while he is there. On first game showings they are streets ahead.
England is like watching paint dry, we are both boring and frustrating to watch. Im not that fussed if I miss our next games. Compared to the emerging Glasner Palace who are miles ahead in entertainment value.
.

Or, indeed, an Austrian?

We've had an Italian and a Swede so why not?

I suspect our structure has changed since the FA sat in that room about 14 years ago and planned for winning the 2022 WC. And we were only a missed penalty away.

It is a large behemoth where everything is precisely planned and choreographed and where the "head coach" is little more than a presentable mouth piece. Howe maybe, but I would be surprised if Glasner would take a role where his influence is largely cosmetic and peripheral.

silvertop Portishead 20 Jun 24 9.58am
Originally posted by MFW94 Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that? Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either. Brazil in 2002 went in to the world cup on the back of 5 losses and ronaldo was unfit, and again played 2 holding midfielders with a back 5. they of course ended up winning the thing by beating Turkey X2, Costa Rica, China, Belgium, England and Germany - hardly played any of the big boys did they until the final. And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw. This. It's tournament football. A 630 minute match with changes of opponent. You play every team like a final and you will be spent by the first knock-out game. I predict a 0-0 draw today... and Southgate's face appearing as a turnip.

silvertop

Portishead 20 Jun 24 9.58am

Originally posted by MFW94

Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that?

Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either.

And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw.

This. It's tournament football. A 630 minute match with changes of opponent. You play every team like a final and you will be spent by the first knock-out game.

I predict a 0-0 draw today... and Southgate's face appearing as a turnip.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 20 Jun 24 11.23am
Originally posted by MFW94 Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that? Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either. Brazil in 2002 went in to the world cup on the back of 5 losses and ronaldo was unfit, and again played 2 holding midfielders with a back 5. they of course ended up winning the thing by beating Turkey X2, Costa Rica, China, Belgium, England and Germany - hardly played any of the big boys did they until the final. And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and, won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw. That was a great Brazilian team, probably my favourite team of any World Cup. But it just goes to show the best and/or the most exciting team to watch doesn’t always(if ever)win a tournament. They were beaten by an Italian side that just about scraped through the first group stage with three draws and who then went on to win the tournament That game against the Italians is still probably my favourite all time World Cup game. It was so exciting, but that was that Brazilian teams downfall, they didn’t worry about defending too much.

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 20 Jun 24 11.23am

Originally posted by MFW94

Bit miffed at the expectation you should play attacking free flowing football at international tournaments - bar probably brazil in 1970 what side has ever actually done that?

Brazil in 1982 played samba style football and didnt win anything, the great total dutch football of the 70s didnt win a world cup either.

And for the most part, when have England never played 'good' football - even euro 96 we played 3-5-2 and, won a game on pens after a 0-0 draw.

That was a great Brazilian team, probably my favourite team of any World Cup. But it just goes to show the best and/or the most exciting team to watch doesn’t always(if ever)win a tournament. They were beaten by an Italian side that just about scraped through the first group stage with three draws and who then went on to win the tournament
That game against the Italians is still probably my favourite all time World Cup game. It was so exciting, but that was that Brazilian teams downfall, they didn’t worry about defending too much.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Jun 24 4.00pm
England unchanged which I guess isn't overly surprising - Foden and Trent need to make an impact today. Expecting another cagey game - main incentive for us is not to lose, and Southgate doesn't need a 2nd invitation to play safe. Predict a scrappy 1-1 and a load more hysteria

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 20 Jun 24 4.00pm

England unchanged which I guess isn't overly surprising - Foden and Trent need to make an impact today.

Expecting another cagey game - main incentive for us is not to lose, and Southgate doesn't need a 2nd invitation to play safe.

Predict a scrappy 1-1 and a load more hysteria

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jun 24 4.47pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow England unchanged which I guess isn't overly surprising - Foden and Trent need to make an impact today. Expecting another cagey game - main incentive for us is not to lose, and Southgate doesn't need a 2nd invitation to play safe. Predict a scrappy 1-1 and a load more hysteria It has draw written all over it but let's hope it's a bit more fluent and attacking today. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jun 24 4.47pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

England unchanged which I guess isn't overly surprising - Foden and Trent need to make an impact today.

Expecting another cagey game - main incentive for us is not to lose, and Southgate doesn't need a 2nd invitation to play safe.

Predict a scrappy 1-1 and a load more hysteria

It has draw written all over it but let's hope it's a bit more fluent and attacking today.

Red and Blue Army!

ambrose7 Croydon 20 Jun 24 5.13pm
Team is unbalanced. Kane wants to come deep, so Foden needs to make the run in behind. If Foden moves centrally, he needs a wing back to take up the space out wide. We've only brought Tripper who doesn't want to do it on his right foot. Therefore Kane is deep, the central midfield is swarmed with players so we're all giving the ball away under pressure, and their back 3 have an easy day. Given we can't put a left footed left back in because Southgate didn't bring a fit one (face palm), we have two options. 1) Kane stays forward so makes space in the middle. 2) if Kane insists on coming deep, drop TAA to make space in the middle, Foden moves into an advanced central role so him and Bellingham can run beyond, Eze or Gordon play on the left to provide the width and offer another runner in behind. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

ambrose7

Croydon 20 Jun 24 5.13pm

Team is unbalanced.

Kane wants to come deep, so Foden needs to make the run in behind.

If Foden moves centrally, he needs a wing back to take up the space out wide. We've only brought Tripper who doesn't want to do it on his right foot.

Therefore Kane is deep, the central midfield is swarmed with players so we're all giving the ball away under pressure, and their back 3 have an easy day.

Given we can't put a left footed left back in because Southgate didn't bring a fit one (face palm), we have two options.

1) Kane stays forward so makes space in the middle.

2) if Kane insists on coming deep, drop TAA to make space in the middle, Foden moves into an advanced central role so him and Bellingham can run beyond, Eze or Gordon play on the left to provide the width and offer another runner in behind.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 20 Jun 24 5.43pm
I’m starting to think it’s laziness and arrogance with this England team, they think they can casually strut through a game.

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 20 Jun 24 5.43pm

I’m starting to think it’s laziness and arrogance with this England team, they think they can casually strut through a game.

Foxy82 20 Jun 24 5.50pm
Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0.

Foxy82

20 Jun 24 5.50pm

Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0.

YT Oxford 20 Jun 24 5.55pm
Originally posted by Foxy82 Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0. EverBodyDannsNow will no doubt differ and say we are doing well, but I agree with the TV experts, except they aren't allow to actually say that Southgate's coaching is sh!te. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 20 Jun 24 5.55pm

Originally posted by Foxy82

Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0.

EverBodyDannsNow will no doubt differ and say we are doing well, but I agree with the TV experts, except they aren't allow to actually say that Southgate's coaching is sh!te.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

ambrose7 Croydon 20 Jun 24 5.55pm
Originally posted by monkey I’m starting to think it’s laziness and arrogance with this England team, they think they can casually strut through a game. I really don't think it is - this is a group of players who between them have won everything at club level. Mentally they're as good as it gets. The tactics are a mess and if anyone should be able to recognise it, it's Palace fans because it's exactly how Hodgson set us up. It's too deep. There's no willingness to press the opposition in their half, and with Kane sitting in midfield there's no out ball so we're camped in our half with nowhere to go. Pray the ball drops to Bellingham (Eze) or Foden (Olise) and they do something out of nothing in a system that isn't suited to getting them into good positions. Note: I've never been a Southgate out. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

ambrose7

Croydon 20 Jun 24 5.55pm

Originally posted by monkey

I’m starting to think it’s laziness and arrogance with this England team, they think they can casually strut through a game.

I really don't think it is - this is a group of players who between them have won everything at club level. Mentally they're as good as it gets.

The tactics are a mess and if anyone should be able to recognise it, it's Palace fans because it's exactly how Hodgson set us up.

It's too deep. There's no willingness to press the opposition in their half, and with Kane sitting in midfield there's no out ball so we're camped in our half with nowhere to go. Pray the ball drops to Bellingham (Eze) or Foden (Olise) and they do something out of nothing in a system that isn't suited to getting them into good positions.

Note: I've never been a Southgate out.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

MrRobbo Chaldon 20 Jun 24 5.58pm
Originally posted by Foxy82 Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0. I'd be up for that

MrRobbo

Chaldon 20 Jun 24 5.58pm

Originally posted by Foxy82

Is it possible to sack your coach mid tournament? Utterly clueless, Hodgson 2.0.

I'd be up for that

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