What point are you making here? You can’t have a good job and believe society is unfair/unbalanced at the same time?

I don’t get it.

But you are most definitely partisan.

That was a request – I too would like to see a Tory fanatic vs Labour/Momentum fanatic forum off. Willo vs. ?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Yeah this needs explaining TBF

I've never understood this standpoint

Although in the context of religion it makes sense to me (i.e. follow your principles to the letter – follow religion as it was conceived – catholicism is most definately cheating, confession only started in the 11th century for crying out loud – but that's for another thread)

Edited by SW19 CPFC (05 Dec 2019 4.40pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Haha to the JLO ref

Doesn't your point of view only apply if said person says they are a die hard, puritanical socialist? What happens if they're socially and morally level headed, redistribute a significant portion of their wealth to benefit others, are sympathetic to 'socialism lite', lets say, yet still hold some back to enjoy life, but not in an ostentatious way?

Aren't you being a bit binary here?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Well, there are degrees of hypocrisy aren't there...Like I say, it's the tax man to Jesus analogy.

We are all hypocrites to smaller or larger extents, I'm not saying...for example, that Dan is a bad person...because he obviously has a conscience, I'm just saying that his comments perhaps betray a man of convenience.....for where it suits him, which is what money give you. He's hardly on his own there. Still, when it comes to money and politics the overt optics of being left and well off are stark.

Anyone with extra money they think the government should be taking in taxes should already be giving it away....it's hardly as though that arrangement is hard to make.....But of course, it's so much easier to virtue signal it.

I think accusing me of being a little binary is a fair accusation.....But what can I say, I like my socialists to live their principles and that just means I'm critical of champagne socialism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2019 4.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I get that, but I think my definition of champagne socialism is different to yours. Which is probably to be expected.

I agree re. the taxes point of view – but that doesn't mean they should be giving it all away, just the amount they think others should be relative to their circumstance. Which makes sense to me.

The problem for me is also fear mongering and ignorance around true, puritanical socialism vs. labours current version. They're not the same thing. And people like the 80k guy on news night who thinks he's on an average wage don't do much to help my general assumptions around what people assume 2019 'socialism' to be.

The truth is it's a hybrid not an all in scenario, so for me some of the criticism and soundbites aren't grounded in reality – they're just knee jerk reactions based on all in socialism, which is not what is being sold in. No way you'd get away with full on socialism now – they'd be voted out at the next election.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

The 70s. I stopped reading after that.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Your money, your choice....the government taxes you what if thinks it can best get away with as an average for your income...but the individual can always support those causes that bother them.....No one ever needs to have money they don't need if they make a point of empathic politics.

I'd say we probably agree more on this than don't.

You must understand that I have to keep giving Dan a reason to 'hate click' onto the site.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2019 5.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Agreed.

Paganism makes more sense.....though ultimately you just end up finding yourself shagging some neurotic women who doesn't wash regularly enough.....some tosh about being one with nature or other.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2019 5.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A lot of people care, including me. I wanted to see him grilled and his hypocrisy exposed by a serious political journalist. That his "advisers" have stopped it happening only confirms what I believe. That Johnson is a complete fake. An opportunist who will say anything so long as it keeps him in the job he has craved. Andrew Neil would have eviscerated him and might have done enough to save us all.

No-one has yet really torn him apart on his refusal to publish the intelligence committee report on Russian interference or on the weaknesses we have in trying to negotiate a trade deal with the USA that won't see huge increases in drug costs for the NHS. Brexit will not gain us independence. It will leave us isolated and unprotected by our closest allies in Europe. Johnson knows this and is sacrificing the future of our children for his own selfishness.

These days are truly the nadir of British politics in my lifetime. I wonder how long it will take before we recover and whether I will live to see it. My children and grand children are already blaming my generation for this disaster so you can all expect a backlash when they do get their hands on the wheel of state again and that is totally certain to happen.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.