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RunningEagle 11 Jan 21 5.39pm
I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there. I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent. I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be: GK -> Strong and good depth with Butland no.2 Def -> Aging. Tomkins when fit is very good. The rest distinctly avg and some for prem standards pretty poor Mid -> Lacking creativity and pace. Aging also. Eze fantastic prospect Forwards -> Zaha our star man creates something out of nothing and he papers over cracks in our team. Benteke gone back to old form after showing a spark. Ayew our top scorer last season but how many prem teams would he get into? Batman great finisher but offers little else Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be. I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better!

RunningEagle

11 Jan 21 5.39pm

I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there.

I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent.

I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be:

GK -> Strong and good depth with Butland no.2
Def -> Aging. Tomkins when fit is very good. The rest distinctly avg and some for prem standards pretty poor
Mid -> Lacking creativity and pace. Aging also. Eze fantastic prospect
Forwards -> Zaha our star man creates something out of nothing and he papers over cracks in our team. Benteke gone back to old form after showing a spark. Ayew our top scorer last season but how many prem teams would he get into? Batman great finisher but offers little else

Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be.

I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better!

TheBigToePunt 11 Jan 21 5.48pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill As long as any prospective manager is prepared for the following type exchange and accepts, all should go swimmingly: Parish: "We have an exciting new Academy with a couple of first teamer prospects coming through in a couple of years. We also have a number of first teamers over the age of 30 whose contracts are due to expire. You and I will work together to assess who needs keeping and who not. We have a budget of £10m for new transfers. I'd like us to play an entertaining attacking style of football. Still interested in the job?" That's probably about right. And to think some on here seemed to honestly think we might go for Pochettino or Tuchel... My only observation that Parish may not require an entertaining style of football if that is inconsistent with staying up. Hence CPFC are the only club to have employed the 'Big Three' of defensive, ultra pragmatic coaching: Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson. When you put it like you have, the reality of our position and the logic in retaining Hodgson (who achieves results with far more limited resources than most) is more clear than ever, whilst the likelihood of some dashing young thing being able to come in and move us up a gear to two is shown for the pipe dream it is.

TheBigToePunt

11 Jan 21 5.48pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

As long as any prospective manager is prepared for the following type exchange and accepts, all should go swimmingly:
Parish: "We have an exciting new Academy with a couple of first teamer prospects coming through in a couple of years. We also have a number of first teamers over the age of 30 whose contracts are due to expire. You and I will work together to assess who needs keeping and who not. We have a budget of £10m for new transfers. I'd like us to play an entertaining attacking style of football.
Still interested in the job?"

That's probably about right. And to think some on here seemed to honestly think we might go for Pochettino or Tuchel...

My only observation that Parish may not require an entertaining style of football if that is inconsistent with staying up. Hence CPFC are the only club to have employed the 'Big Three' of defensive, ultra pragmatic coaching: Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson.

When you put it like you have, the reality of our position and the logic in retaining Hodgson (who achieves results with far more limited resources than most) is more clear than ever, whilst the likelihood of some dashing young thing being able to come in and move us up a gear to two is shown for the pipe dream it is.

MikeCrete Crete 11 Jan 21 5.50pm
Originally posted by EddieMac Have you ever considered that it’s not about the money and that he just loves football ? If he really did we would try to attack more.

MikeCrete

Crete 11 Jan 21 5.50pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Have you ever considered that it’s not about the money and that he just loves football ?

If he really did we would try to attack more.

TheBigToePunt 11 Jan 21 5.56pm
Originally posted by RunningEagle I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent. I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be: ... Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be. Spot on. This being Roy's best squad at Palace, or it costing £100m is irrelevant. The relevant thing is how it compares to everyone else's squad, whether in cost or quality. I keep saying it, but it is a matter of published fact that we are the 16th highest spenders in the league. That doesn't mean that we certainly have the 16th best set of players of course, but you've only got to watch them trying to retain possession to know that, a few excellent individuals aside, there ain't too many squads in this league you would place below ours when it comes to overall technical quality. We just aren't that good.

TheBigToePunt

11 Jan 21 5.56pm

Originally posted by RunningEagle

I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent.

I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be:

...

Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be.

Spot on.

This being Roy's best squad at Palace, or it costing £100m is irrelevant. The relevant thing is how it compares to everyone else's squad, whether in cost or quality.

I keep saying it, but it is a matter of published fact that we are the 16th highest spenders in the league. That doesn't mean that we certainly have the 16th best set of players of course, but you've only got to watch them trying to retain possession to know that, a few excellent individuals aside, there ain't too many squads in this league you would place below ours when it comes to overall technical quality.

We just aren't that good.

TheBigToePunt 11 Jan 21 5.57pm
Originally posted by MikeCrete If he really did we would try to attack more. That's a bit unfair. People show their love in different ways. That's what I tell herself, anyway...

TheBigToePunt

11 Jan 21 5.57pm

Originally posted by MikeCrete

If he really did we would try to attack more.

That's a bit unfair. People show their love in different ways.

That's what I tell herself, anyway...

MikeCrete Crete 11 Jan 21 5.58pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I fully expect us to lose both (so if we get any result it will be Xmas all over again!) therefore defeats in those games will be of less concern to me than the actual manner of defeat and the performances, which have been shocking of late. Sadly, its just not of late. The performance at home over the past couple of years have been awful. How many goals did we score in the first half of games? For RH to say we have our strongest squad & yet he sticks with the same team, formation, etc is a joke. He wont play Meyer etc

MikeCrete

Crete 11 Jan 21 5.58pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I fully expect us to lose both (so if we get any result it will be Xmas all over again!) therefore defeats in those games will be of less concern to me than the actual manner of defeat and the performances, which have been shocking of late.

Sadly, its just not of late. The performance at home over the past couple of years have been awful. How many goals did we score in the first half of games? For RH to say we have our strongest squad & yet he sticks with the same team, formation, etc is a joke. He wont play Meyer etc

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jan 21 6.33pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt Thanks, but in fairness I said that bringing in a manager nobody had heard of was a gamble. I used not having worked in the Premier league as an example of why a coach might be an unknown quantity. Nuno managed huge clubs (Valencia and Porto) before Wolves, whilst Bielsa is a massively well known coach who apart from managing Argentina, Chile and half a dozen big clubs in France, Spain, Italy and South America is also constantly cited as an inspiration by the likes of Guardiola and Pochettino. They're hardly unknowns. Hasenhutl was a bit left field I grant you, and right now it's doing well. But that's one unknown to have done well in this league. The list of unknowns to have failed is far, far longer, hence my observation that going left field is a gamble. He was very well known in Germany having guided RB Leipzig to 2nd place in the Bundesliga behind Bayern Munich so he did come to Southampton as a proven manager in a top flight. Before that he got Ingolstadt promoted to the Bundesliga. Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 6.34pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jan 21 6.33pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Thanks, but in fairness I said that bringing in a manager nobody had heard of was a gamble. I used not having worked in the Premier league as an example of why a coach might be an unknown quantity.

Nuno managed huge clubs (Valencia and Porto) before Wolves, whilst Bielsa is a massively well known coach who apart from managing Argentina, Chile and half a dozen big clubs in France, Spain, Italy and South America is also constantly cited as an inspiration by the likes of Guardiola and Pochettino. They're hardly unknowns.

Hasenhutl was a bit left field I grant you, and right now it's doing well. But that's one unknown to have done well in this league. The list of unknowns to have failed is far, far longer, hence my observation that going left field is a gamble.

He was very well known in Germany having guided RB Leipzig to 2nd place in the Bundesliga behind Bayern Munich so he did come to Southampton as a proven manager in a top flight.

Before that he got Ingolstadt promoted to the Bundesliga.

Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 6.34pm)

slubglurge welling 11 Jan 21 7.11pm
Originally posted by RunningEagle I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there. I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent. I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be: GK -> Strong and good depth with Butland no.2 Def -> Aging. Tomkins when fit is very good. The rest distinctly avg and some for prem standards pretty poor Mid -> Lacking creativity and pace. Aging also. Eze fantastic prospect Forwards -> Zaha our star man creates something out of nothing and he papers over cracks in our team. Benteke gone back to old form after showing a spark. Ayew our top scorer last season but how many prem teams would he get into? Batman great finisher but offers little else Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be. I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better! Our squad is the strongest ever if it was 5 years ago. A lot of our players are past their sell by date through age or constant injuries hence the lack of pace and intensity in our play

slubglurge

welling 11 Jan 21 7.11pm

Originally posted by RunningEagle

I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there.

I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent.

I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo
however honest assessment would be:

Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be.

I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better!

Our squad is the strongest ever if it was 5 years ago. A lot of our players are past their sell by date through age or constant injuries hence the lack of pace and intensity in our play

Painter Croydon 11 Jan 21 7.51pm
Originally posted by RunningEagle I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there. I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent. I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be: GK -> Strong and good depth with Butland no.2 Def -> Aging. Tomkins when fit is very good. The rest distinctly avg and some for prem standards pretty poor Mid -> Lacking creativity and pace. Aging also. Eze fantastic prospect Forwards -> Zaha our star man creates something out of nothing and he papers over cracks in our team. Benteke gone back to old form after showing a spark. Ayew our top scorer last season but how many prem teams would he get into? Batman great finisher but offers little else Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be. I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better! I keep reading its the best squad we have ever had and Roy isnt getting the best out of them etc. It maybe our best squad in peoples eyes, but up against other squads in the Premier league, its a squad that should be lower to middle in the league. Our best player doesnt interest any of the top 6 clubs, just work your way down the squad from there to see, who would get in any team in the top 10.

Painter

Croydon 11 Jan 21 7.51pm

Originally posted by RunningEagle

I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there.

I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent.

I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be:

Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be.

I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better!

I keep reading its the best squad we have ever had and Roy isnt getting the best out of them etc. It maybe our best squad in peoples eyes, but up against other squads in the Premier league, its a squad that should be lower to middle in the league. Our best player doesnt interest any of the top 6 clubs, just work your way down the squad from there to see, who would get in any team in the top 10.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jan 21 7.58pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt That's probably about right. And to think some on here seemed to honestly think we might go for Pochettino or Tuchel... My only observation that Parish may not require an entertaining style of football if that is inconsistent with staying up. Hence CPFC are the only club to have employed the 'Big Three' of defensive, ultra pragmatic coaching: Pulis, Allardyce and Hodgson. When you put it like you have, the reality of our position and the logic in retaining Hodgson (who achieves results with far more limited resources than most) is more clear than ever, whilst the likelihood of some dashing young thing being able to come in and move us up a gear to two is shown for the pipe dream it is. If we manage to survive under Mr Hodgson he will have secured survival for 4 seasons. There will be little appetite by the club for a change and providing he wishes to continue and not retire I suspect his contract will be extended. Next season could be our toughest in trying to retain our place, given that a number of our aged players will probably not be at the club for obvious reasons, we might of course lose Zaha and replacements will have to be found without significant backing in the transfer market.There will be a re-building job to be done. Perhaps Mr Hodgson will decide that it is in his interests not to be at the club and will politely decline a new contract!! Perhaps this scenario has already unfolded! Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 8.06pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jan 21 7.58pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That's probably about right. And to think some on here seemed to honestly think we might go for Pochettino or Tuchel...

If we manage to survive under Mr Hodgson he will have secured survival for 4 seasons.
There will be little appetite by the club for a change and providing he wishes to continue and not retire I suspect his contract will be extended.

Next season could be our toughest in trying to retain our place, given that a number of our aged players will probably not be at the club for obvious reasons, we might of course lose Zaha and replacements will have to be found without significant backing in the transfer market.There will be a re-building job to be done.

Perhaps Mr Hodgson will decide that it is in his interests not to be at the club and will politely decline a new contract!! Perhaps this scenario has already unfolded!

Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 8.06pm)

Rachid Rachid Rachid 11 Jan 21 7.59pm
Originally posted by RunningEagle I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there. I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent. I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be: GK -> Strong and good depth with Butland no.2 Def -> Aging. Tomkins when fit is very good. The rest distinctly avg and some for prem standards pretty poor Mid -> Lacking creativity and pace. Aging also. Eze fantastic prospect Forwards -> Zaha our star man creates something out of nothing and he papers over cracks in our team. Benteke gone back to old form after showing a spark. Ayew our top scorer last season but how many prem teams would he get into? Batman great finisher but offers little else Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be. I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better! Bang on IMO. Great Post.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

11 Jan 21 7.59pm

Originally posted by RunningEagle

I think Roy should be given the respect to see out the season and start a rebuild from there.

I do keep seeing about how Roy has the best squad we have ever had and he is wasting our talent.

I just don't think our squad at the moment is very strong. I honestly love the team and effort is not questioned imo however honest assessment would be:

Okay waffling now but what i mean to say is... i don't think our squad is as good as we like to believe and we are 'probably' about where we could expect to be.

I hope Roy goes at the end of the season and hope for a rebuild but it might get worst before it gets better!

Bang on IMO. Great Post.

Eaglehamster Storrington 11 Jan 21 11.03pm
I cannot remember a time when fans have hated the negative style we play so much. What must the youth players think? They NEVER get a chance with Roy. The cup game V Wolves was an opportunity to blood some kids (Roy knew we'd lose anyway) but no. That's the thing I really dislike about him. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Eaglehamster

Storrington 11 Jan 21 11.03pm

I cannot remember a time when fans have hated the negative style we play so much.

What must the youth players think? They NEVER get a chance with Roy.

The cup game V Wolves was an opportunity to blood some kids (Roy knew we'd lose anyway) but no.

That's the thing I really dislike about him.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

sprites Auckland 12 Jan 21 3.29am
Originally posted by Painter I keep reading its the best squad we have ever had and Roy isnt getting the best out of them etc. It maybe our best squad in peoples eyes, but up against other squads in the Premier league, its a squad that should be lower to middle in the league. Our best player doesnt interest any of the top 6 clubs, just work your way down the squad from there to see, who would get in any team in the top 10. Okay...since you asked. Guiata Tomkins Luka Eze Zaha And ironically probably: Riederwald Meyer PVA (wing back)

sprites

Auckland 12 Jan 21 3.29am

Originally posted by Painter

I keep reading its the best squad we have ever had and Roy isnt getting the best out of them etc. It maybe our best squad in peoples eyes, but up against other squads in the Premier league, its a squad that should be lower to middle in the league. Our best player doesnt interest any of the top 6 clubs, just work your way down the squad from there to see, who would get in any team in the top 10.

Okay...since you asked.

Guiata
Tomkins
Luka
Eze
Zaha

And ironically probably:

Riederwald
Meyer
PVA (wing back)

A89M Streatham 12 Jan 21 8.31am
Originally posted by sprites Okay...since you asked. Guiata - Yes Tomkins - No Luka - No Eze - Yes Zaha - Yes And ironically probably: Riederwald - Yes Meyer - No PVA (wing back) - I like what you did there I'll give you Riederwald, swap him with Luka as he has been awful for almost a year now. I'm annoyed whenever I see him in the line up, he hasn't deserved to be there for a while now. Meyer has been shown up by Eze. Both brought in to do a similar job in the same position and Eze has shown attacking intent whenever he gets the ball, whereas Meyer passes backwards and sideways, never looks to play forward - I was once all for Meyer but he really has been a let down. PVA could be a top 10 club player for his attacking attributes (wing back as you said) but defensively he lets himself down with lack of concentration. Which is why he's fallen down the league to us.. Tomkins to injury prone unfortunately. So 4 players out of a possible 23/25 man squad.. Edited by A89M (12 Jan 2021 8.31am) Edited by A89M (12 Jan 2021 8.32am)

A89M

Streatham 12 Jan 21 8.31am

Originally posted by sprites

Okay...since you asked.

Guiata - Yes
Tomkins - No
Luka - No
Eze - Yes
Zaha - Yes

And ironically probably:

Riederwald - Yes
Meyer - No
PVA (wing back) - I like what you did there

I'll give you Riederwald, swap him with Luka as he has been awful for almost a year now. I'm annoyed whenever I see him in the line up, he hasn't deserved to be there for a while now.

Meyer has been shown up by Eze. Both brought in to do a similar job in the same position and Eze has shown attacking intent whenever he gets the ball, whereas Meyer passes backwards and sideways, never looks to play forward - I was once all for Meyer but he really has been a let down.

PVA could be a top 10 club player for his attacking attributes (wing back as you said) but defensively he lets himself down with lack of concentration. Which is why he's fallen down the league to us..

Tomkins to injury prone unfortunately.

So 4 players out of a possible 23/25 man squad..

Edited by A89M (12 Jan 2021 8.31am)

Edited by A89M (12 Jan 2021 8.32am)

PatrickA London 12 Jan 21 9.20am
With our current points total we’ look likely to ensure safety with four more wins and a few draws. This should not be beyond us with 21 games remaining. With this in mind I would expect Hodgson to stay at least for the remainder of the season. Perhaps a more appropriate heading for this thread I would be ‘Roy out at the end of the season?’ Personally I would like him to leave then while acknowledging he has done a sound job. If the club and Hodgson are of the same mind,, that leaves Parish plenty of time to source a successor.

PatrickA

London 12 Jan 21 9.20am

With our current points total we’ look likely to ensure safety with four more wins and a few draws.
This should not be beyond us with 21 games remaining.
With this in mind I would expect Hodgson to stay at least for the remainder of the season.
Perhaps a more appropriate heading for this thread I would be
‘Roy out at the end of the season?’
Personally I would like him to leave then while acknowledging he has done a sound job.
If the club and Hodgson are of the same mind,, that leaves Parish plenty of time to source a successor.

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 12 Jan 21 9.36am
Originally posted by Willo If we manage to survive under Mr Hodgson he will have secured survival for 4 seasons. There will be little appetite by the club for a change and providing he wishes to continue and not retire I suspect his contract will be extended. Next season could be our toughest in trying to retain our place, given that a number of our aged players will probably not be at the club for obvious reasons, we might of course lose Zaha and replacements will have to be found without significant backing in the transfer market.There will be a re-building job to be done. Perhaps Mr Hodgson will decide that it is in his interests not to be at the club and will politely decline a new contract!! Perhaps this scenario has already unfolded! Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 8.06pm) this is what I find utterly depressing, the notion that because we have scraped survival, in diminishing form year-on-year, that we can expect to do the same for another year. It's a car crash waiting to happen. Quite a few fans (and this isn't aimed at you, Willo) seem to be happy to court relegation via sticking to what we know under Hodgson, but not by employing a manager that could breathe new life into the club. Personally I'd rather we gave it another go (trying to move the club on rather than stand still) and be prepared that there is a small chance it could lead to failure and relegation but I'm much more optimistic that it would break the cycle of mundane football we're currently experiencing. It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now. OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season. I'm not suggesting Roy goes mid-season, it's too late for that now. But I pray to God our succession planning is in advanced stage and we have a new guy waiting in the wings as soon as the season finishes. In an ideal world Roy would announce his retirement before the end of the season, we can lock this thread, and start a new one speculating about the new manager. Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am)

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 12 Jan 21 9.36am

Originally posted by Willo

Perhaps Mr Hodgson will decide that it is in his interests not to be at the club and will politely decline a new contract!! Perhaps this scenario has already unfolded!

Edited by Willo (11 Jan 2021 8.06pm)

this is what I find utterly depressing, the notion that because we have scraped survival, in diminishing form year-on-year, that we can expect to do the same for another year. It's a car crash waiting to happen. Quite a few fans (and this isn't aimed at you, Willo) seem to be happy to court relegation via sticking to what we know under Hodgson, but not by employing a manager that could breathe new life into the club. Personally I'd rather we gave it another go (trying to move the club on rather than stand still) and be prepared that there is a small chance it could lead to failure and relegation but I'm much more optimistic that it would break the cycle of mundane football we're currently experiencing.

It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now.

OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season.

I'm not suggesting Roy goes mid-season, it's too late for that now. But I pray to God our succession planning is in advanced stage and we have a new guy waiting in the wings as soon as the season finishes. In an ideal world Roy would announce his retirement before the end of the season, we can lock this thread, and start a new one speculating about the new manager.

Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am)

southnorwoodhill 12 Jan 21 9.43am
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet this is what I find utterly depressing, the notion that because we have scraped survival, in diminishing form year-on-year, that we can expect to do the same for another year. It's a car crash waiting to happen. Quite a few fans (and this isn't aimed at you, Willo) seem to be happy to court relegation via sticking to what we know under Hodgson, but not by employing a manager that could breathe new life into the club. Personally I'd rather we gave it another go (trying to move the club on rather than stand still) and be prepared that there is a small chance it could lead to failure and relegation but I'm much more optimistic that it would break the cycle of mundane football we're currently experiencing. It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now. OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season. I'm not suggesting Roy goes mid-season, it's too late for that now. But I pray to God our succession planning is in advanced stage and we have a new guy waiting in the wings as soon as the season finishes. In an ideal world Roy would announce his retirement before the end of the season, we can lock this thread, and start a new one speculating about the new manager. Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am) Good post. I think the fear of change has got into some posters minds, and they have settled for survival mediocrity under Hodgson. IMO Parish should have thanked Hodgson for his services at the end of last season and unveiled our new manager then. It didn't happen and so one can speculate whether Parish himself has decided lower table mediocrity is fine, or perhaps the person he has in mind to take over wasn't available at that point, and another season of Hodgson holding the fort was necessary while matters behind the scenes were being sorted. As I posted previously, we are at the crossroads - many players soon to be out of contract, many on huge salaries that do not reflect their contributions on the pitch. We have reached the stage whereby the side has to be rebuilt, and clearly the future lies in the Academy. The next manager would likely have a good track record of working with youngsters and plotting a course of development for the playing side over the next few years. I'll be amazed if Hodgson is still here next season and contract extensions have been handed to those who chronically underperform, and /or find competing at the physical level required too difficult. I'd expect relegation if that were the case. Edited by southnorwoodhill (12 Jan 2021 10.29am)

southnorwoodhill

12 Jan 21 9.43am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is what I find utterly depressing, the notion that because we have scraped survival, in diminishing form year-on-year, that we can expect to do the same for another year. It's a car crash waiting to happen. Quite a few fans (and this isn't aimed at you, Willo) seem to be happy to court relegation via sticking to what we know under Hodgson, but not by employing a manager that could breathe new life into the club. Personally I'd rather we gave it another go (trying to move the club on rather than stand still) and be prepared that there is a small chance it could lead to failure and relegation but I'm much more optimistic that it would break the cycle of mundane football we're currently experiencing.

It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now.

OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season.

Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am)

Good post. I think the fear of change has got into some posters minds, and they have settled for survival mediocrity under Hodgson.
IMO Parish should have thanked Hodgson for his services at the end of last season and unveiled our new manager then. It didn't happen and so one can speculate whether Parish himself has decided lower table mediocrity is fine, or perhaps the person he has in mind to take over wasn't available at that point, and another season of Hodgson holding the fort was necessary while matters behind the scenes were being sorted.
As I posted previously, we are at the crossroads - many players soon to be out of contract, many on huge salaries that do not reflect their contributions on the pitch. We have reached the stage whereby the side has to be rebuilt, and clearly the future lies in the Academy. The next manager would likely have a good track record of working with youngsters and plotting a course of development for the playing side over the next few years.
I'll be amazed if Hodgson is still here next season and contract extensions have been handed to those who chronically underperform, and /or find competing at the physical level required too difficult. I'd expect relegation if that were the case.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (12 Jan 2021 10.29am)

TheBigToePunt 12 Jan 21 11.36am
Originally posted by sprites Okay...since you asked. Guiata Tomkins Luka Eze Zaha And ironically probably: Riederwald Meyer PVA (wing back) Honestly,you think all these would get in any team in the top 10?! Four of them aren't good enough for ours.

TheBigToePunt

12 Jan 21 11.36am

Originally posted by sprites

Okay...since you asked.

Guiata
Tomkins
Luka
Eze
Zaha

And ironically probably:

Riederwald
Meyer
PVA (wing back)

Honestly,you think all these would get in any team in the top 10?!

Four of them aren't good enough for ours.

MARKY coulsdon 12 Jan 21 12.20pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Good post. I think the fear of change has got into some posters minds, and they have settled for survival mediocrity under Hodgson. IMO Parish should have thanked Hodgson for his services at the end of last season and unveiled our new manager then. It didn't happen and so one can speculate whether Parish himself has decided lower table mediocrity is fine, or perhaps the person he has in mind to take over wasn't available at that point, and another season of Hodgson holding the fort was necessary while matters behind the scenes were being sorted. As I posted previously, we are at the crossroads - many players soon to be out of contract, many on huge salaries that do not reflect their contributions on the pitch. We have reached the stage whereby the side has to be rebuilt, and clearly the future lies in the Academy. The next manager would likely have a good track record of working with youngsters and plotting a course of development for the playing side over the next few years. I'll be amazed if Hodgson is still here next season and contract extensions have been handed to those who chronically underperform, and /or find competing at the physical level required too difficult. I'd expect relegation if that were the case. mediocrity! we have beaten Southampton, Man Utd, Fulham, West Brom and Sheff Utd, Man Utd and Leeds was some of the best footie we have played in the premier league, we have an antiquated stadium, our training facilities are well behind most premier league clubs. SP and Roy have done a great job keeping us in the big league. I think some realism is needed a few on here would be better supporting the Harlem Globe Trotters Edited by southnorwoodhill (12 Jan 2021 10.29am)

MARKY

coulsdon 12 Jan 21 12.20pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

mediocrity! we have beaten Southampton, Man Utd, Fulham, West Brom and Sheff Utd, Man Utd and Leeds was some of the best footie we have played in the premier league, we have an antiquated stadium, our training facilities are well behind most premier league clubs. SP and Roy have done a great job keeping us in the big league. I think some realism is needed a few on here would be better supporting the Harlem Globe Trotters

Edited by southnorwoodhill (12 Jan 2021 10.29am)

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Jan 21 12.40pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet this is what I find utterly depressing, the notion that because we have scraped survival, in diminishing form year-on-year, that we can expect to do the same for another year. It's a car crash waiting to happen. Quite a few fans (and this isn't aimed at you, Willo) seem to be happy to court relegation via sticking to what we know under Hodgson, but not by employing a manager that could breathe new life into the club. Personally I'd rather we gave it another go (trying to move the club on rather than stand still) and be prepared that there is a small chance it could lead to failure and relegation but I'm much more optimistic that it would break the cycle of mundane football we're currently experiencing. It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now. OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season. I'm not suggesting Roy goes mid-season, it's too late for that now. But I pray to God our succession planning is in advanced stage and we have a new guy waiting in the wings as soon as the season finishes. In an ideal world Roy would announce his retirement before the end of the season, we can lock this thread, and start a new one speculating about the new manager. Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am) I'm not sure that's entirely the case. My perception is that like myself ( and Willo I think too ), we acknowledge Roy's shortcomings while understanding the reluctance of Steve Parish to change if the objective is to stay in the Premier League. As a club we currently lack ambition. And that's principally why I defend Hodgson. Would I like to see more entertaining football ? - of course I would. Do I want to see the club stay in the Premier League ? - definitely. Currently the ' cost ' of retaining our Premier League status is the pragmatic and largely unexciting brand of football that Roy provides. You can't blame him for employing the tactics that result in his best chance of achieving his objective. Once the promised land of the Premier League is reached, without major financial investment ( which in itself is not a guarantee of success ), it's an annual struggle to stay there. The alternative ( which you don't appear to object to ) is of course relegation. I think that would set the club back immeasurably. With no guarantee that we would be '' chasing the dream '' Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Jan 21 12.40pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

It was a hell of a lot more exciting in the Championship, better football, more star players, and chasing that Premier League dream is so much more exciting that treading water like we are now.

OR, we may just move up to being a solid Prem team that's looking up rather than trying to grind to the minimum points each season.

Edited by Frickin Saweet (12 Jan 2021 9.38am)

I'm not sure that's entirely the case. My perception is that like myself ( and Willo I think too ), we acknowledge Roy's shortcomings while understanding the reluctance of Steve Parish to change if the objective is to stay in the Premier League. As a club we currently lack ambition.

And that's principally why I defend Hodgson. Would I like to see more entertaining football ? - of course I would. Do I want to see the club stay in the Premier League ? - definitely. Currently the ' cost ' of retaining our Premier League status is the pragmatic and largely unexciting brand of football that Roy provides. You can't blame him for employing the tactics that result in his best chance of achieving his objective.

Once the promised land of the Premier League is reached, without major financial investment ( which in itself is not a guarantee of success ), it's an annual struggle to stay there.

The alternative ( which you don't appear to object to ) is of course relegation. I think that would set the club back immeasurably. With no guarantee that we would be '' chasing the dream ''

Old, Ungifted and White

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