OK, find me the verifiable counter-view or pipe down

Eden, can I ask, and I'm not trying to be inflammatory, why would you be worried about this?
Most of our life is tracked one way or another already, bank cards, store cards and the like.

Fair question - my worry stems from the amount of power and control that the government would have, should you not comply with (whatever they may request) then your permissions and access rights could be reduced or indeed cancelled.

Despite being a middle aged bloke who has a fairly comfortable lifestyle who has previously voted Conservative for 40 years (though never again) I do do trust this Government one bit and do not like the thought that they could have incredible control over all of us when I do not believe they act in our interest.

The tracking we have currently does not bother me - I have nothing to hide (my life is pretty boring!) but digital ID is another ballgame.

Exactly, if establishments (and countries) want to provide a safer environment for customers and reduce the impact of covid to their business they should be able to do so. If other establishments aren't interested then fine they should go with that option. The latter will largely attract masses of teenagers at little risk, and people who are unconcerned with other peoples health. Lovely atmosphere I'm sure.

If you feel that you are someone who the government would even be bothered to track, then dump your mobile phone and credit/debit cards as they could track you via these...not to mention the hundreds if not thousands of CCTV everywhere....personally I couldnt care less if they want to track me (although I cant imagine why they would want to).....Nothing to hide nothing to worry about

It's a bit of a generalisation no doubt. However since being vaccinated both reduces the chance of contracting covid, spreading it (and seriousness of it when you do) it would make sense that having this check prior would provide a safer environment currently.

It should be down to the individual venues but places that don't require being vaccinated would logically attract a significant number of unvaccinated individuals. We have no way of knowing the risk of those individuals, beyond self assessment. There is a significant risk to those who are vulnerable but do not perceive themselves to be from others in the venue. Where some are vaccinated fair enough, they've done their bit, but where they aren't, it doesn't strike me that they're all that interested in others well being.

Funnily enough I see the digital tracking that you're more comfortable with as much more of a problem. Governments being able to track peoples movements by the second 24/7, and build a complete profile of who they, who they know, their politics, and so on is much more open to china style 'social credit' abuse down the line than having a check before walking into a pub. Being placed in a digital cage makes us more like zoo animals than being vaccinated ever will.

Governments lurch this way and that, and today's upstanding citizen could be tomorrow villain ( [Link] [Link] no doubt there are examples across the political spectrum). It's open to exploitation as those in power (or journalism etc) in the coming decades will have effectively lived online both at home and on the move, and it's certainly possible to attempt to politically and otherwise exploit, control, or paint them in a certain light if they go against the politics of the day. There are of course legitimate uses of these powers too though so it's a difficult balance. Governments take advantage of that and routinely play left and right against one another to push this ongoing erosion of civil liberties through, but it eventually acts to the detriment of everybody.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Mar 2021 11.54pm)