I don't think Hrolf is saying that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 1.40am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You appear to be suggesting that women should think twice about what they wear in case rapists feel more inclined to rape them. I'll leave it to others to decide if that is a reasonable request.

If someone plans to rape a woman, I would think 'that' would be the root of the problem, rather than women not trying hard enough to placate them. You don't befriend rapists, you imprison them.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 3.40am)

Yeah, like I've been making this point for over a decade....but you think its wrong to talk about these issues because of a terrible event.

So....you do realise you're in a political forum don't you? What are you suggesting? That these points shouldn't be made? Nothing derogatory has been said and no defence made for this terrible murderer.

That overly long paragraph contains so many strawmen it could sit in a field and frighten away birds.

I simply didn't make those arguments but was referring to the excesses of feminist and alphabet ideologies and the affects they have had in attacking both masculinity and traditional male/female roles. Ultimately increasing the numbers of dysfunctional people within society.

You prefer to suggest that these observations are an attack on women and gays instead of what I actually said about political and social ideologies....because you are a big believer in the neo liberalism that propagates them. So an attack on them is perhaps an attack on your value system.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 4.50am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As stated you have compassion for the man, his situation, and seek to link it to a deeper dysfunction in society... which soon turn out to be (always) women who are essentially independent and industrious outside of the home and those who are of other sexualities and so on. Types you routinely centre in on and do not show such trademark 'compassion' for. I tend to think that with kid killers the buck stops with them, and that they aren't just a handy gateway to attacking completely innocent and decent members of society that you're not particularly keen on.

It's this kind of oft seen slant that has led you to drinking from political wells that clearly 99% of the general public would never touch. You seem to spend about ten minutes thinking of the ills of your own outlook and behaviour compared to the ten year mantra for other peoples. Probably for the best all things considered. You're so narrowly group based and detached from those you seek to lump into a separate steaming pile for entirely arbitrary reasons.

Your outlook skews and limits your perception of others in unhealthy ways, so ultimately you're the one losing out anyway. I would've thought the lesson of this horrendous incident is to not get caught up in such stark and largely imagined separations between people, whether it's gender based or whatever. Doing so certainly didn't do this man, or those around him, any favours.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 1.11pm)

I just learned a new word today Intersectional.

It's another woke bs that allows people to describe themselves a victims.

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I say woke bs because people are trying to over complicated things. If a person is unfairly discriminated against it's a simple as that. I think this tries to add layers and nuances that are not required.

When you Google it lots of these examples are given as black women although this isn't exclusive.

I think I'll go and lie down now.

One more point

It does get rather comical. The ills of the extreme left is that there's a never-ending desire to highlight those most marganalised (or often 'self marginalised' to the point where it's sliced and diced enough that they may as well be speaking an alien language to Joe Public. And the ills of the extremes of the right is that anyone of any difference is battered down whack-a-mole style for even existing unless they are in complete uniformed agreement with the status quo, in which case they're 'proof' of 'not being racist' and so on.

Thankfully I'd say that the vast majority of people aren't overly political and keyed into whatever any particular online rabbithole tells them to believe, so tend to take individuals at least somewhat at face value.

You're the one perpetually clutching your pearls like some kind of effete mess at the idea of how you wronged you feel over what you imagine to be your masculinity. Masculinity , you might want to know is about standing up for family and values, not being a vulture who seeks to attack and hold down groups like women and sexual minorities from having an equal place at the table.

What precisely have such wonderfully wayward attitudes resulted in I have to wonder? One less plate at said table perhaps? Family issues due to your extreme views? A captive audience? I don't seek to be masculine or feminine or view either to be negative. From your posts on here though you appear to view being masculine as having a fight outside a pub, or an arm wrestle, rather than actually knowing the first thing about how to treat anyone. For what it's worth I could physically extinguish any bravado based physical threat you could ever offer - so you can go swivel on that count - and at the same time I offer a degree of dignity to those around me. Get back to singing the praises of the group led by a self declared neo nazi. How masculine a view. No emotionally damaged aspect to your politics of course. Get back to your compassion towards this nutjob and endless rants about ordinary people you seek to hold down.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 3.02pm)

I'm not sure that it proves any such thing. I will reitterate though that it is a provable and public statement of fact to say that you have offered clear public support and shown interest to a group that is led by a self declared and known neo nazi. And so while you seem to think you're laying into someone who is in fact perceived to be rather mundane politically and otherwise as overtly damaged, you should instead look into the mirror and see where your own emotional damage has politically led you. Fringe outlook territory.

And secondly, I have very little interest in fighting anyone. I instead just pointed out that on here it's the way that you personally appear to like to 'flex' your masculinity, and was responding to how I would defend myself against any actualised limp threat or attempt to display such 'masculinity'. Perhaps the cherry on the cake of your wayward contributions to this sad event shouldn't be how long it would take you to knock someone out. You hold a child's idea of what masculinity means. It's not a discussion that you're involved in, beyond your own four walls.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 3.14pm)

You are assuming that rapists are reasonable people.
They aren't.

Dressing in a way that draws attention to yourself makes you more likely to be a target.

Fairness ain't in it. It is the law of the jungle.

I'll comment how I like and if there are cogent arguments made I'll respond in kind.

From debating you in the past I've found that your arguments descend into what we see here. Essentially emotional bitching and manipulation of half truths....because essentially what is true about a situation is secondary to your damaged ego.

The Mark Collet stuff is something you've introduced into this which has little to do with the topic.

We could talk about that but I've already discussed it with you yet it goes in one ear and out the other and it's back to me being some big supporter of 'neo Nazis'.

You've proven to me on these boards that you're just an emotional manipulator and I prefer more honest people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 3.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)