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Spiderman Horsham 21 Sep 22 10.53am
Originally posted by Mapletree A CPO was threatened on Sainsburys for its use of a ransom strip. The threat comes from the Council and should be sufficient to force a deal without an actual CPO Inside Croydon has zero morals and will do anything for attention without presenting balance. Shame as Croydon is fertile ground given its history. CPA is an Association This is to take capacity to 34,259 I did mean CPO, typo. I knew about the threat to Sainsburys, I thought you were talking about a CPO on the houses

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Sep 22 10.53am

Originally posted by Mapletree

A CPO was threatened on Sainsburys for its use of a ransom strip. The threat comes from the Council and should be sufficient to force a deal without an actual CPO

Inside Croydon has zero morals and will do anything for attention without presenting balance. Shame as Croydon is fertile ground given its history.

CPA is an Association

This is to take capacity to 34,259

I did mean CPO, typo. I knew about the threat to Sainsburys, I thought you were talking about a CPO on the houses

Spiderman Horsham 21 Sep 22 10.57am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider That was years ago. It’s all Bromley Council ( nightmare but which isn’t?). If we got together with the Thai consortium who wanted to re instate the Crystal Palace at the top of the park as a shopping centre, the park could have massive parking facilities at multiple entrances. Plus new sports facilities, hotels and apartments AND keep plenty of parkland. Currently the place is virtually derelict. A real health and safety nightmare. CPFC could help create something really special which would hugely benefit locals. It’s got it’s own railway link/station and where the current stadium is we could build a magnificent stadium modelled on the new stand proposal for Selhurst and more. A 40,000 seater there would be fantastic and elevate us right to the top. With Dexter Harris and Blitzer money they could create one of the best football parks in the world. Edited by dreamwaverider (21 Sep 2022 9.01am) I did not know about the Thai consortium. This sounds like the obvious solution and I do not understand the locals, whilst I accept the increase traffic on matchdays, eventually this area will be developed and they may not have much sayin what is built there

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Sep 22 10.57am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

That was years ago. It’s all Bromley Council ( nightmare but which isn’t?).
If we got together with the Thai consortium who wanted to re instate the Crystal Palace at the top of the park as a shopping centre, the park could have massive parking facilities at multiple entrances. Plus new sports facilities, hotels and apartments AND keep plenty of parkland. Currently the place is virtually derelict. A real health and safety nightmare.
CPFC could help create something really special which would hugely benefit locals.
It’s got it’s own railway link/station and where the current stadium is we could build a magnificent stadium modelled on the new stand proposal for Selhurst and more. A 40,000 seater there would be fantastic and elevate us right to the top. With Dexter Harris and Blitzer money they could create one of the best football parks in the world.

Edited by dreamwaverider (21 Sep 2022 9.01am)

I did not know about the Thai consortium. This sounds like the obvious solution and I do not understand the locals, whilst I accept the increase traffic on matchdays, eventually this area will be developed and they may not have much sayin what is built there

Elpis In a pub 23 Sep 22 2.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I did not know about the Thai consortium. This sounds like the obvious solution and I do not understand the locals, whilst I accept the increase traffic on matchdays, eventually this area will be developed and they may not have much sayin what is built there What with the residents and sainsburys we are still a long way off having a football ground that has a capacity thats needed (unless we rip the seats out ) We have been talking about this stand since Ron Noades showed the plans for it in the early 90's . 30 years later (just to put it into perspective ) we still have the same infrastructure he left us with . It aint happening

Elpis

In a pub 23 Sep 22 2.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

What with the residents and sainsburys we are still a long way off having a football ground that has a capacity thats needed (unless we rip the seats out )
We have been talking about this stand since Ron Noades showed the plans for it in the early 90's . 30 years later (just to put it into perspective ) we still have the same infrastructure he left us with .

It aint happening

Spiderman Horsham 23 Sep 22 3.55pm
Originally posted by Elpis What with the residents and sainsburys we are still a long way off having a football ground that has a capacity thats needed (unless we rip the seats out ) We have been talking about this stand since Ron Noades showed the plans for it in the early 90's . 30 years later (just to put it into perspective ) we still have the same infrastructure he left us with . It aint happening I think you are right, that’s why I was agreeing that perhaps it would be a good time to revisit CPP

Spiderman

Horsham 23 Sep 22 3.55pm

Originally posted by Elpis

It aint happening

I think you are right, that’s why I was agreeing that perhaps it would be a good time to revisit CPP

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Sep 22 5.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I think you are right, that’s why I was agreeing that perhaps it would be a good time to revisit CPP As above, once the sainsburys issue is resolved then it’s game on - I’d expect it to be completed within 3-5 years once that final hurdle has been cleared. Revisiting CPP now would be insanity. You’d add at least another decade. Plus, as has already been public ally demonstrated, is completely unworkable. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 23 Sep 22 5.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I think you are right, that’s why I was agreeing that perhaps it would be a good time to revisit CPP

As above, once the sainsburys issue is resolved then it’s game on - I’d expect it to be completed within 3-5 years once that final hurdle has been cleared.

Revisiting CPP now would be insanity. You’d add at least another decade. Plus, as has already been public ally demonstrated, is completely unworkable.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Hrolf The Ganger 23 Sep 22 6.24pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC As above, once the sainsburys issue is resolved then it’s game on - I’d expect it to be completed within 3-5 years once that final hurdle has been cleared. Revisiting CPP now would be insanity. You’d add at least another decade. Plus, as has already been public ally demonstrated, is completely unworkable. I'm going with starting in 2023 and finishing in 2025.

Hrolf The Ganger

23 Sep 22 6.24pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

As above, once the sainsburys issue is resolved then it’s game on - I’d expect it to be completed within 3-5 years once that final hurdle has been cleared.

Revisiting CPP now would be insanity. You’d add at least another decade. Plus, as has already been public ally demonstrated, is completely unworkable.

I'm going with starting in 2023 and finishing in 2025.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Sep 22 8.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm going with starting in 2023 and finishing in 2025. Agree with start date, but, due to train strikes, covid-27, Brighton sacking their manager & tfl enforcing a cycle lane with kerbs, can't see anything happening, ever. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Sep 22 8.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm going with starting in 2023 and finishing in 2025.

Agree with start date, but, due to train strikes, covid-27, Brighton sacking their manager & tfl enforcing a cycle lane with kerbs, can't see anything happening, ever.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

m/k mick milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.02pm
As someone Sadi earlier King George will do the opening ceremony

m/k mick

milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.02pm

As someone Sadi earlier King George will do the opening ceremony

m/k mick milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.02pm
Originally posted by m/k mick As someone Said earlier King George will do the opening ceremony

m/k mick

milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.02pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

As someone Said earlier King George will do the opening ceremony

dreamwaverider London 23 Sep 22 10.15pm
Originally posted by m/k mick It ain’t gonna happen.

dreamwaverider

London 23 Sep 22 10.15pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

It ain’t gonna happen.

m/k mick milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.25pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider It ain’t gonna happen. King George aka Prince George at the moment is presently 9 years old, humour

m/k mick

milton keynes 23 Sep 22 10.25pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

It ain’t gonna happen.

King George aka Prince George at the moment is presently 9 years old, humour

eritheagle Erith 24 Sep 22 8.20am
I couldn't give two hoots if it gets built or not as i won't be able to afford to sit in there nor would I want to. But, i don't see why they have to go for this big over the top stand. Surely they can restructure the stand already there, build an upper tier on top (a bit like Liverpool have with their stand) and make room for some new corporate boxes. Then they won't have so many planning problems, p1ss off residents (with whom i have some sympathy with) and it may be completed this century. Or is this all about Mr Burn's legacy and his ego?!

eritheagle

Erith 24 Sep 22 8.20am

I couldn't give two hoots if it gets built or not as i won't be able to afford to sit in there nor would I want to.

But, i don't see why they have to go for this big over the top stand. Surely they can restructure the stand already there, build an upper tier on top (a bit like Liverpool have with their stand) and make room for some new corporate boxes.

Then they won't have so many planning problems, p1ss off residents (with whom i have some sympathy with) and it may be completed this century.
Or is this all about Mr Burn's legacy and his ego?!

Bearcage Welling 24 Sep 22 10.10am
Originally posted by eritheagle I couldn't give two hoots if it gets built or not as i won't be able to afford to sit in there nor would I want to. But, i don't see why they have to go for this big over the top stand. Surely they can restructure the stand already there, build an upper tier on top (a bit like Liverpool have with their stand) and make room for some new corporate boxes. Then they won't have so many planning problems, p1ss off residents (with whom i have some sympathy with) and it may be completed this century. Or is this all about Mr Burn's legacy and his ego?! I thought it was about maximising future club income to help ensure sustained success (and help prevent slipping backwards).

Bearcage

Welling 24 Sep 22 10.10am

Originally posted by eritheagle

I couldn't give two hoots if it gets built or not as i won't be able to afford to sit in there nor would I want to.

Then they won't have so many planning problems, p1ss off residents (with whom i have some sympathy with) and it may be completed this century.
Or is this all about Mr Burn's legacy and his ego?!

I thought it was about maximising future club income to help ensure sustained success (and help prevent slipping backwards).

Badger11 Beckenham 24 Sep 22 10.42am
Originally posted by Bearcage I thought it was about maximising future club income to help ensure sustained success (and help prevent slipping backwards). It is also about ensuring we have a legal stand. Our current one is wooden and sooner or later will be declared illegal due to fire risk. We have already been in trouble over access for disabled supporters. Simply put whether we increase the capacity or not at some point the ground must be rebuilt. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Sep 22 10.42am

Originally posted by Bearcage

I thought it was about maximising future club income to help ensure sustained success (and help prevent slipping backwards).

It is also about ensuring we have a legal stand. Our current one is wooden and sooner or later will be declared illegal due to fire risk. We have already been in trouble over access for disabled supporters.

Simply put whether we increase the capacity or not at some point the ground must be rebuilt.

One more point

Sansbup Norfolk 24 Sep 22 1.38pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It is also about ensuring we have a legal stand. Our current one is wooden and sooner or later will be declared illegal due to fire risk. We have already been in trouble over access for disabled supporters. Simply put whether we increase the capacity or not at some point the ground must be rebuilt. It's also needed for more legroom as it's only a matter of time before someone sues CPFC after developing deep vein thrombosis after sitting in the old stand. It really is painful if you're over six foot tall...

Sansbup

Norfolk 24 Sep 22 1.38pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Simply put whether we increase the capacity or not at some point the ground must be rebuilt.

It's also needed for more legroom as it's only a matter of time before someone sues CPFC after developing deep vein thrombosis after sitting in the old stand. It really is painful if you're over six foot tall...

dreamwaverider London 24 Sep 22 3.05pm
All the above posts point towards re visiting where our club is from. With enough support we could return to Crystal Palace.

dreamwaverider

London 24 Sep 22 3.05pm

All the above posts point towards re visiting where our club is from.
With enough support we could return to Crystal Palace.

Wilbraham413 24 Sep 22 6.08pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Yes the vocal complainant is a Scouser, ex-Union official. I suspect he will not be entitled to a 4 bed house should he be moved. He is a tenant not an owner. Perhaps he believes bigger compensation ay be had! The stand will be 141ft at its peak, not 300ft. Sensationalism at its finest Edited by Spiderman (20 Sep 2022 9.35pm) I read elsewhere that the confusion over the height is because construction plans use height above sea level, not height above ground level. So the construction plans show the top of the new stand will be about 90m/300ft above sea level. And I think the ground at Selhurst is about 50m above sea level. Which means the new stand will be about 40m/140ft above ground level. Kind of interesting... 2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro 2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley 2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth 2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

Wilbraham413

24 Sep 22 6.08pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Yes the vocal complainant is a Scouser, ex-Union official. I suspect he will not be entitled to a 4 bed house should he be moved. He is a tenant not an owner. Perhaps he believes bigger compensation ay be had!
The stand will be 141ft at its peak, not 300ft. Sensationalism at its finest

Edited by Spiderman (20 Sep 2022 9.35pm)

I read elsewhere that the confusion over the height is because construction plans use height above sea level, not height above ground level. So the construction plans show the top of the new stand will be about 90m/300ft above sea level. And I think the ground at Selhurst is about 50m above sea level. Which means the new stand will be about 40m/140ft above ground level.

Kind of interesting...

2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 24 Sep 22 7.16pm
Originally posted by m/k mick It was the end of this year, not season How will they do that then? Dig holes and put up traffic lights? Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 24 Sep 22 7.16pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

It was the end of this year, not season

How will they do that then? Dig holes and put up traffic lights?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

tonymikejoe UK 25 Sep 22 7.41pm
Originally posted by Sansbup It's also needed for more legroom as it's only a matter of time before someone sues CPFC after developing deep vein thrombosis after sitting in the old stand. It really is painful if you're over six foot tall... Prepare for even less legroom in any new stand. Parish is already on the record about how excited he is regarding the inflated prices he feels he can charge for the new seats compared to existing rates. He will have a huge financial incentive to squeeze as many seats in as possible.

tonymikejoe

UK 25 Sep 22 7.41pm

Originally posted by Sansbup

Prepare for even less legroom in any new stand.
Parish is already on the record about how excited he is regarding the inflated prices he feels he can charge for the new seats compared to existing rates.
He will have a huge financial incentive to squeeze as many seats in as possible.

dreamwaverider London 28 Sep 22 6.49am
Looking at the aerial pictures I am far from convinced about this new stand. It is so big and out of proportion to the rest of the ground. Part of the problem is I think going for a construction method that builds over the existing stand. Surely a more modest new stand would be far more appropriate for Selhurst Park and the local community. Currently it is going to tower over everything. The inadequate Arthur Wait stand and the reduced White horse are both going to look like ancient relics alongside the new one. Plus, the new stand and the Homesdale clash horribly in architectural terms. Carefully consider Palace before crawling ahead at snails pace. Building a smaller stand will be far cheaper and can still go over the top on construction. It just wouldn’t be so grand. But is one Grand stand what we want while the White Horse reduces to a few rows to get an enlarged pitch in and the Arthur looks across from the past. All very imbalanced in my view.

dreamwaverider

London 28 Sep 22 6.49am

Looking at the aerial pictures I am far from convinced about this new stand. It is so big and out of proportion to the rest of the ground. Part of the problem is I think going for a construction method that builds over the existing stand. Surely a more modest new stand would be far more appropriate for Selhurst Park and the local community. Currently it is going to tower over everything. The inadequate Arthur Wait stand and the reduced White horse are both going to look like ancient relics alongside the new one. Plus, the new stand and the Homesdale clash horribly in architectural terms. Carefully consider Palace before crawling ahead at snails pace. Building a smaller stand will be far cheaper and can still go over the top on construction. It just wouldn’t be so grand. But is one Grand stand what we want while the White Horse reduces to a few rows to get an enlarged pitch in and the Arthur looks across from the past. All very imbalanced in my view.

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