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Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 24 9.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention. But yes, I detest violence of every kind and never want it to succeed. I wish he had never been born, not that he must now be removed. He exists, but so does the populism that allows such a character to be elevated to high office. It’s the belief in populism as a solution to political problems that needs to be removed. Not the pawns that try to manoeuvre their way to become kings. Trouble is you can't start quoting conspiracy theories after dismissing them as worthless in cases where they don't fit a certain narrative. Is the contention here that Crooks was so indoctrinated he was prepared to shoot close enough to Trump to make it look real and that certain of the security forces were involved to allow this to happen and then kill him before he could tell his story? This all looks a bit Oliver Stone.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 24 9.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention.

But yes, I detest violence of every kind and never want it to succeed.

I wish he had never been born, not that he must now be removed. He exists, but so does the populism that allows such a character to be elevated to high office.

It’s the belief in populism as a solution to political problems that needs to be removed. Not the pawns that try to manoeuvre their way to become kings.

Trouble is you can't start quoting conspiracy theories after dismissing them as worthless in cases where they don't fit a certain narrative.
Is the contention here that Crooks was so indoctrinated he was prepared to shoot close enough to Trump to make it look real and that certain of the security forces were involved to allow this to happen and then kill him before he could tell his story?
This all looks a bit Oliver Stone.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 9.47am
Originally posted by The Dolphin I would add - if you write what you post to wind people up or get a reaction, then great job! If you believe what you write, then no wonder this country is going down the pan. That anybody gets wound up by reading other opinions is their problem. It’s not my intention, I just express my opinions, which in a free society, in a place where freedom of speech is frequently championed, I find being disliked a little odd! That some believe that holding socially liberal, fiscally conservative, middle of the road, progressive political views is the reason for the UK “going down the pan” is quite sad. I am proud we have moved on from the politics of the past to become a more inclusive and tolerant society and am disappointed that pockets of resentment still exist. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jul 2024 9.59am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 9.47am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I would add - if you write what you post to wind people up or get a reaction, then great job!
If you believe what you write, then no wonder this country is going down the pan.

That anybody gets wound up by reading other opinions is their problem. It’s not my intention, I just express my opinions, which in a free society, in a place where freedom of speech is frequently championed, I find being disliked a little odd!

That some believe that holding socially liberal, fiscally conservative, middle of the road, progressive political views is the reason for the UK “going down the pan” is quite sad. I am proud we have moved on from the politics of the past to become a more inclusive and tolerant society and am disappointed that pockets of resentment still exist.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jul 2024 9.59am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

georgenorman 15 Jul 24 9.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention. But yes, I detest violence of every kind and never want it to succeed. I wish he had never been born, not that he must now be removed. He exists, but so does the populism that allows such a character to be elevated to high office. It’s the belief in populism as a solution to political problems that needs to be removed. Not the pawns that try to manoeuvre their way to become kings. Seriously? Of course it ******* was. "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell]

georgenorman

15 Jul 24 9.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention.

But yes, I detest violence of every kind and never want it to succeed.

I wish he had never been born, not that he must now be removed. He exists, but so does the populism that allows such a character to be elevated to high office.

It’s the belief in populism as a solution to political problems that needs to be removed. Not the pawns that try to manoeuvre their way to become kings.

Seriously? Of course it ******* was.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell]

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.04am
Originally posted by georgenorman Seriously? Of course it ******* was. "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell] I don’t think it wasn’t either! I was merely pointing out how conspiracy theories arise. You regard this one as ridiculous. Some others would regard some posted here the same way. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.04am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Seriously? Of course it ******* was.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell]

I don’t think it wasn’t either!

I was merely pointing out how conspiracy theories arise. You regard this one as ridiculous. Some others would regard some posted here the same way.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 24 10.05am
Originally posted by georgenorman Seriously? Of course it ******* was. "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell] Turn off the oxygen.

Hrolf The Ganger

15 Jul 24 10.05am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Seriously? Of course it ******* was.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." [Orwell]

Turn off the oxygen.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.22am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Trouble is you can't start quoting conspiracy theories after dismissing them as worthless in cases where they don't fit a certain narrative. Is the contention here that Crooks was so indoctrinated he was prepared to shoot close enough to Trump to make it look real and that certain of the security forces were involved to allow this to happen and then kill him before he could tell his story? This all looks a bit Oliver Stone. I don’t though endorse any conspiracy theory. If quoted it will only be as an example. The problem is that some have total conviction in them and this is being exploited politically. This is another reason for the political divisions we are seeing. Even if an investigation determines this guy was acting alone and a series of security failures enabled him to nearly succeed there will be many who refuse to believe it, convinced that the authorities, administration, deep state, CIA, FBI, Fauci, Biden, Clinton, Obama or Uncle Tom Cobbly were actually behind it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.22am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I don’t though endorse any conspiracy theory. If quoted it will only be as an example. The problem is that some have total conviction in them and this is being exploited politically. This is another reason for the political divisions we are seeing.

Even if an investigation determines this guy was acting alone and a series of security failures enabled him to nearly succeed there will be many who refuse to believe it, convinced that the authorities, administration, deep state, CIA, FBI, Fauci, Biden, Clinton, Obama or Uncle Tom Cobbly were actually behind it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 24 10.28am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don’t though endorse any conspiracy theory. If quoted it will only be as an example. The problem is that some have total conviction in them and this is being exploited politically. This is another reason for the political divisions we are seeing. Even if an investigation determines this guy was acting alone and a series of security failures enabled him to nearly succeed there will be many who refuse to believe it, convinced that the authorities, administration, deep state, CIA, FBI, Fauci, Biden, Clinton, Obama or Uncle Tom Cobbly were actually behind it. None of which include the example quoted which was that Team Trump arranged it for pre election publicity.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 24 10.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

None of which include the example quoted which was that Team Trump arranged it for pre election publicity.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.47am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You already know, and we all should know better than feeding the troll. What you actually already know is that I am not a troll. I have posted here for many years. That I hold opinions that differ from the majority here is obvious, but out in the real world mine are much closer to the majority view than those inside the right wing bubble that dominates here. It’s you that’s unusual, not me. This is not a site devoted to right wing politics. It is a forum of the football club I have supported for 70 years. I have belonged since its inception. Trolls deliberately disrupt. I don’t. I post my opinions. Opinions of a fellow supporter. You don’t agree with them. I don’t agree with yours. That’s life! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.47am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You already know, and we all should know better than feeding the troll.

What you actually already know is that I am not a troll.

I have posted here for many years. That I hold opinions that differ from the majority here is obvious, but out in the real world mine are much closer to the majority view than those inside the right wing bubble that dominates here. It’s you that’s unusual, not me.

This is not a site devoted to right wing politics. It is a forum of the football club I have supported for 70 years. I have belonged since its inception.

Trolls deliberately disrupt. I don’t. I post my opinions. Opinions of a fellow supporter. You don’t agree with them. I don’t agree with yours. That’s life!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.50am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle None of which include the example quoted which was that Team Trump arranged it for pre election publicity. Those appear elsewhere. That’s the point. You only read those that support the political stance of the majority here, but others exist. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 10.50am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

None of which include the example quoted which was that Team Trump arranged it for pre election publicity.

Those appear elsewhere. That’s the point. You only read those that support the political stance of the majority here, but others exist.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 24 11.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those appear elsewhere. That’s the point. You only read those that support the political stance of the majority here, but others exist. The one quoted was - Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention. It's disingenuous to claim this was an attempt to demonstrate a conspiracy theory.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 24 11.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those appear elsewhere. That’s the point. You only read those that support the political stance of the majority here, but others exist.

The one quoted was -
Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention.

It's disingenuous to claim this was an attempt to demonstrate a conspiracy theory.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 11.04am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The one quoted was - Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention. It's disingenuous to claim this was an attempt to demonstrate a conspiracy theory. Then we disagree. It was attempting to show that other types of conspiracy theories can be created and circulated. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 11.04am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The one quoted was -
Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention.

It's disingenuous to claim this was an attempt to demonstrate a conspiracy theory.

Then we disagree. It was attempting to show that other types of conspiracy theories can be created and circulated.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Matov 15 Jul 24 11.22am
One thing is for certain, given the response from many s*-Libs, is that we are heading for a shooting war at somestage. Because if they start celebrating attempted political assassinations then you have to assume that we are well past the stage of Jaw Jaw. These f*ers would have been literally celebrating in the streets if Trump had been killed. There can be no more giving them the benefit of the doubt. Never has the friend/enemy distinction been so vitally important to grasp. Edited by Matov (15 Jul 2024 11.24am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

15 Jul 24 11.22am

One thing is for certain, given the response from many s***-Libs, is that we are heading for a shooting war at somestage. Because if they start celebrating attempted political assassinations then you have to assume that we are well past the stage of Jaw Jaw.

These f***ers would have been literally celebrating in the streets if Trump had been killed. There can be no more giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Never has the friend/enemy distinction been so vitally important to grasp.

Edited by Matov (15 Jul 2024 11.24am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

palace99 New Mills 15 Jul 24 11.31am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Torba is essentially right, separation via secession is the inevitable solution to what's happening. Let people live how they wish to. The Democrats can then continue to run their cities into the ground and have as many late stage abortions as they like. wow, just wow. The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems. Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost. If he gets back in he will enable Putin to take over Ukraine (is he already a Russian asset - the FBI are unsure!) which will destabilise the whole of Europe and potentially further afield e.g. China in Taiwan, he will reverse any climate change initiatives and will put all his mates into senior positions.

palace99

New Mills 15 Jul 24 11.31am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Torba is essentially right, separation via secession is the inevitable solution to what's happening. Let people live how they wish to.

The Democrats can then continue to run their cities into the ground and have as many late stage abortions as they like.

wow, just wow.

The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems.

Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost.

If he gets back in he will enable Putin to take over Ukraine (is he already a Russian asset - the FBI are unsure!) which will destabilise the whole of Europe and potentially further afield e.g. China in Taiwan, he will reverse any climate change initiatives and will put all his mates into senior positions.

eaglesdare 15 Jul 24 11.42am
Originally posted by palace99 wow, just wow. The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems. Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost. If he gets back in he will enable Putin to take over Ukraine (is he already a Russian asset - the FBI are unsure!) which will destabilise the whole of Europe and potentially further afield e.g. China in Taiwan, he will reverse any climate change initiatives and will put all his mates into senior positions. Bit too much BBC and lefty propaganda today for you.

eaglesdare

15 Jul 24 11.42am

Originally posted by palace99

wow, just wow.

The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems.

Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost.

Bit too much BBC and lefty propaganda today for you.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jul 24 11.43am
Originally posted by palace99 wow, just wow. The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems. Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost. If he gets back in he will enable Putin to take over Ukraine (is he already a Russian asset - the FBI are unsure!) which will destabilise the whole of Europe and potentially further afield e.g. China in Taiwan, he will reverse any climate change initiatives and will put all his mates into senior positions. Blimey, that's a new one . . . This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jul 24 11.43am

Originally posted by palace99

wow, just wow.

The American economy seems to be doing quite well from the data i can see abortions have been the woman's right to choose for c50 years now they are the big problems.

Trump, who is late 70s and essentially lives on a diet of McDonalds, has made many gaffs himself of late and has court cases piling up in addition to the ones he has already lost.

Blimey, that's a new one . . .

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

dreamwaverider London 15 Jul 24 11.56am
I’m assuming the reason the late assassin chose to clip Trump’s ear as opposed to a direct head shot was to create maximum visual effect to secure some pretty dramatic shots of fist raised Trump which will surely secure a win in the elections.

dreamwaverider

London 15 Jul 24 11.56am

I’m assuming the reason the late assassin chose to clip Trump’s ear as opposed to a direct head shot was to create maximum visual effect to secure some pretty dramatic shots of fist raised Trump which will surely secure a win in the elections.

The Dolphin 15 Jul 24 12.32pm
The rhetoric in politics both here and abroad is pretty vile at times. From Angela Rayner calling the Tories scum, in parliament, to some of the stuff - on both sides in America - it is all pretty bad. The trouble is that idiots fixate on it, believe it to be true and then try and do something about it and with gun - no - laws in America as they are, is it any surprise that some kid didn't think twice before taking a pot shot at Trump. He probably thought he was helping the world. It is all crazy and they need to wind down the personal stuff and words like "bullseye" from Biden on Trump and the BBC guy here posting that Biden should take Trump out, should be treated severely. How the BBC guy still has a job I have no idea.

The Dolphin

15 Jul 24 12.32pm

The rhetoric in politics both here and abroad is pretty vile at times.
From Angela Rayner calling the Tories scum, in parliament, to some of the stuff - on both sides in America - it is all pretty bad.
The trouble is that idiots fixate on it, believe it to be true and then try and do something about it and with gun - no - laws in America as they are, is it any surprise that some kid didn't think twice before taking a pot shot at Trump.
He probably thought he was helping the world.
It is all crazy and they need to wind down the personal stuff and words like "bullseye" from Biden on Trump and the BBC guy here posting that Biden should take Trump out, should be treated severely.
How the BBC guy still has a job I have no idea.

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 15 Jul 24 12.47pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin The rhetoric in politics both here and abroad is pretty vile at times. From Angela Rayner calling the Tories scum, in parliament, to some of the stuff - on both sides in America - it is all pretty bad. The trouble is that idiots fixate on it, believe it to be true and then try and do something about it and with gun - no - laws in America as they are, is it any surprise that some kid didn't think twice before taking a pot shot at Trump. He probably thought he was helping the world. It is all crazy and they need to wind down the personal stuff and words like "bullseye" from Biden on Trump and the BBC guy here posting that Biden should take Trump out, should be treated severely. How the BBC guy still has a job I have no idea. The guy is still at the BBC because he works at the BBC… What concerns me about the Trump shooting is that it’s not like Farage having a milk shake or a rock thrown at him, which is a quasi spur of the moment event; the shooter had to plan this with some detail, searching for a vantage point, planning access to the roof etc. When Reagan got shot, although premeditated, it was just a guy with a gun on the street. This has some worrying undertones as to how this was allowed to take place. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 15 Jul 24 12.47pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

The guy is still at the BBC because he works at the BBC…

What concerns me about the Trump shooting is that it’s not like Farage having a milk shake or a rock thrown at him, which is a quasi spur of the moment event; the shooter had to plan this with some detail, searching for a vantage point, planning access to the roof etc. When Reagan got shot, although premeditated, it was just a guy with a gun on the street. This has some worrying undertones as to how this was allowed to take place.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Jul 24 12.55pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin The rhetoric in politics both here and abroad is pretty vile at times. From Angela Rayner calling the Tories scum, in parliament, to some of the stuff - on both sides in America - it is all pretty bad. The trouble is that idiots fixate on it, believe it to be true and then try and do something about it and with gun - no - laws in America as they are, is it any surprise that some kid didn't think twice before taking a pot shot at Trump. He probably thought he was helping the world. It is all crazy and they need to wind down the personal stuff and words like "bullseye" from Biden on Trump and the BBC guy here posting that Biden should take Trump out, should be treated severely. How the BBC guy still has a job I have no idea. An exact mirror of my thinking in bold but all round agree. Politics in general but certainly in America is almost exclusively fixated on exciting the powerless to make them feel powerful where they cannot do this for themselves. Not surprising that the least powerful suffer the most delusion and with easy access to guns, may take their shot. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Jul 24 12.55pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

An exact mirror of my thinking in bold but all round agree.

Politics in general but certainly in America is almost exclusively fixated on exciting the powerless to make them feel powerful where they cannot do this for themselves.

Not surprising that the least powerful suffer the most delusion and with easy access to guns, may take their shot.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Teddy Eagle 15 Jul 24 1.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Then we disagree. It was attempting to show that other types of conspiracy theories can be created and circulated. An example of having one's cake and eating it then.

Teddy Eagle

15 Jul 24 1.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then we disagree. It was attempting to show that other types of conspiracy theories can be created and circulated.

An example of having one's cake and eating it then.

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