Whilst the vaccines don't completely stop you getting infected, they do stop between 67% and 95% of infections, dependent on the vaccine received. They, of course, also greatly reduce severe disease in the vaccinated.

So the idea that the vaccinated are "super-spreaders" is nonsense. They are unlikely to spread it to anyone, but more likely to spread it to the unvaccinated. Which is why you aren't there. The vaccinated in those coffee shops and pubs are also less likely to get infected by the same significant % and won't suffer as much as the unvaccinated should they be.

So you test! It's a start, but hardly an adequate protection, or substitute for vaccination. You can easily pick up a virus between tests. The vaccinated here are also encouraged to do routine lateral flow tests, and some are required to prior to working.

The only responsible thing to do is to get vaccinated, and then keep on testing. We are all in this together and all of us, no exceptions, need to play their part.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I had covid recently and had all the symptoms I was fine after a week with lemsip and solpadeine!

Trump tested positive for COVID-19 days before debate with Biden: Meadows book - [Link]

"Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows reportedly reveals in a new book that former President Trump tested positive for the coronavirus three days before his first debate against then-Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

In "The Chief’s Chief," Meadows writes that although Trump was aware that in order to participate in the debate each candidate had to “to test negative for the virus within seventy two hours of the start time ... Nothing was going to stop [Trump] from going out there,"

He tested negative upon taking it again and decided to forget about his likely positive status, before taking part in the debate (maskless of course - I doubt he was averse to the idea of Biden catching it). Trump of course denies this.

He went on to then blamed the Goldstar families (families of those we died serving their country) for infecting him after, it turns out, meeting them the day AFTER he knew about his positive test. What a POS .

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The thing is in Ireland the antigen testing is not recommended and the "health experts" here have told people to not do them! Up until recently you couldn't get antigen tests anywhere in the country only now are in lidl and dunnes stores selling them!

Everytime I go over for a game I stack up on the NHS antigen tests

No one! I did regular testing and most likely caught covid from a vaccinated person!

Well no not really! In the vaccinated the virus mutates more and new variants are then created!

And no it's the other way around people like you who are the selfish ones! And I expect you want our 5 year old kids to be vaccinated with a trial vaccine just to protect you!

Mostly true but not totally.

The immune system is remarkably good at identifying cells that aren't you. I don't think I've ever heard of any virus or illness that managed to kill everyone it infected and that's with no treatment.

It's true that if you gave massive doses you are going to over-ride any system but no new infection is going to kill absolutely everyone it comes into contact with.

As for what others want....some of us want you to stick a gag over your gob....To quote you back, 'You may not want it! So frigging what? It's not all about you. Others want you to have it. And you do need it. You just don't think you do.'

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