"I read them all"

"that article"

Happy to ignore hundreds of miscarriages then?

I didn't report mine. Ignored anyway when I did speak to the doctor about it.

Red and Blue Army!

This stat relates to drugs in general doesn't it (not at all specifically vaccines). Maybe we should stop all medical treatments, wouldn't want anyone to have a side effect?

How many people experiencing serious effects of covid don't report them, other than a general test to say they've had it? The vast majority who don't end up in hospital perhaps. Of people with actual identified serious side effects in both groups, covid has been seen to do substantially more harm on all counts, for all conditions. That would seen to useful data rather than searching for anti vax angles.

Also worth adding is that those 'under 60' who have serious covid cases that result in hospitalisation are significantly more likely to die even a 'year after recovery' than others their age. To me that suggests that it's clearly done a major number on people healthwise if they're hospitalised, and that is far more likely to happen with the unvaccinated. There have been thousands of covid deaths in the under 65s directly as result of is,so God knows the wider impact in the 'recovered' and vaccines reduce hospitalisations by a seriously significant level. Are you positing that thousands have also died directly as result of simply being vaccinated. If not then perhaps people have their answer.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Dec 2021 5.09pm)

Yeah, but quite correctly those people have had that pretty well highlighted don't you think?.....whereas...

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In this context, yes. Only when there is some kind of established, scientifically proven connection to the vaccines will they be relevant.

They aren't and are, in my opinion, extremely unlikely ever to be. If there was the slightest doubt of the efficacy and safety, the programme would have been stopped.

Look what happened with the AstraZeneca vaccine when some rare instances of blood clotting were found.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I don't really think there's any point in arguing the toss about getting vaccinated or it being somehow dangerous or ineffective in some way thus far. Across all metrics the opposite has been shown to be true. Not getting vaccinated has caused much more misery than its opposite.

Logically it should also cushion the blow of the next wave in terms of hospitalisations if not infections, I for one hope so anyway. I'm glad people acted as a community and country on this, because there's a hell of a lot of grieving families of those who didn't get vaccinated because they 'didn't need it'.

Anyway, people do as they do. You can lead a horse to water...

Edited by BlueJay (02 Dec 2021 5.26pm)