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Syd you haven't answered me.meanwhile you've criticised another poster for basing his argument on something that hasn't happened,a little hypocritical considering you haven't given our board even an afternoon to explain the situation.I will hold my hands up if there are no statements or appointments by first thing Thursday.

I rather thought I had answered you but in case I missed something, if you want to clearly pose the question again, I'd be happy to have a go at answering it.

Meanwhile, our board has had over a week now to demonstrate it was in control. The question is not about Eddie Howe specifically. Eddie Howe is neither here nor there and I don't care why he did or didn't take the job. The question is did they protect the interests of a club in the relegation zone who were about to enter a critical transfer window by making sure they had a manager lined up to take the job before they fired their existing one. I'm sorry, but the evidence says that the answer is "clearly not."

Furthermore, Parrish's statement in which I believe he said something to the effect that he had started to wonder if Burley had been the wrong decision in the weeks before he finally departed merely adds insult to injury as not only were we unprepared with a successor when we did let him go, but it turns out we had known for some time that a change or manager was at least a possibility.

I have nothing against the board personally and, indeed, I thank them for saving the club. I am not on a vicarious mission to damn anyone. But this situation is a mess and I'm sorry but it makes our board look extremely incompetent in my book. I have yet to see any compelling evidence to persuade me to change this view. This is reality; I am simply judging by the facts as we know them.



Well in my opinion clearly they did and the fact that Dougie Freedman is now our manager suggests that you are wrong.


Really? You think that spending the first third of the transfer window in limbo only to appoint someone who was already at the club in the first place shows forward planning, organisation and aptitude?

Could you explain this?

As I've said elsewhere, the board is still very much learning how to run a football club so there are bound to be mistakes. It is to be expected. It does not mean that we should ignore them when they happen though - that would benefit nobody.

Entirely agree with your last paragraph.

However,on a more confrontational front I'd suggest that the 'limbo' you described involved a lot of hard work.

I'm sure they were looking well well before the Millwall game for a new manager.They had a short list of 20 candidates supposedly-that's a lot of paper work and a lot of appointments.

Even Eddie Howe alone may have taken 2-3 weeks to get to by the time the improved offer had been made.How do you not know that Dougie was there,in place during this period as the 100% plan 'b'?Does the fact he is already at the club really jeopardize CPFC2010's decisions?

The facts are that you don't know the boards business plan or exactly what happened,so why would you judge them?More to the point how can you judge them,they got their number 2 target in place just hours after their first choice fell through!


Edited by rawpalace05 (12 Jan 2011 11.02am)

 


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Syd you haven't answered me.meanwhile you've criticised another poster for basing his argument on something that hasn't happened,a little hypocritical considering you haven't given our board even an afternoon to explain the situation.I will hold my hands up if there are no statements or appointments by first thing Thursday.

I rather thought I had answered you but in case I missed something, if you want to clearly pose the question again, I'd be happy to have a go at answering it.

Meanwhile, our board has had over a week now to demonstrate it was in control. The question is not about Eddie Howe specifically. Eddie Howe is neither here nor there and I don't care why he did or didn't take the job. The question is did they protect the interests of a club in the relegation zone who were about to enter a critical transfer window by making sure they had a manager lined up to take the job before they fired their existing one. I'm sorry, but the evidence says that the answer is "clearly not."

Furthermore, Parrish's statement in which I believe he said something to the effect that he had started to wonder if Burley had been the wrong decision in the weeks before he finally departed merely adds insult to injury as not only were we unprepared with a successor when we did let him go, but it turns out we had known for some time that a change or manager was at least a possibility.

I have nothing against the board personally and, indeed, I thank them for saving the club. I am not on a vicarious mission to damn anyone. But this situation is a mess and I'm sorry but it makes our board look extremely incompetent in my book. I have yet to see any compelling evidence to persuade me to change this view. This is reality; I am simply judging by the facts as we know them.



Well in my opinion clearly they did and the fact that Dougie Freedman is now our manager suggests that you are wrong.


Get out of that one, Syd.

So you are of the view that the DF appointment was a panic decision and that the board have indeed not protected the club very well given its current fragile position?Yes?No?

If not then you should let me question Syd's judgement of CPFC2010 from yesterday without being patronising towards me.He questioned the boards ability and so I am now challenging him for an answer,because to me they have done a bloody good job.

Thinking about it,it's done,whatever Syd thought yesterday doesn't matter now.Just I see people today praising his contributions when they do somewhat contradict (in parts)his opinions from yesterday.

Like many,he was probably caught up in the midst of it being a tediously drawn out affair which dragged on to no avail.peoples emotions were bound to have influence on postings.

Sorry Syd,I'll shut up now.just wondered if you were willing to admit you may have got it wrong that's all...


From Syd, that's VERY unlikely. Skybet currently 100/1 on that one.


 


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Quote rawpalace05 at 11 Jan 2011 8.13pm

Syd you haven't answered me.meanwhile you've criticised another poster for basing his argument on something that hasn't happened,a little hypocritical considering you haven't given our board even an afternoon to explain the situation.I will hold my hands up if there are no statements or appointments by first thing Thursday.

I rather thought I had answered you but in case I missed something, if you want to clearly pose the question again, I'd be happy to have a go at answering it.

Meanwhile, our board has had over a week now to demonstrate it was in control. The question is not about Eddie Howe specifically. Eddie Howe is neither here nor there and I don't care why he did or didn't take the job. The question is did they protect the interests of a club in the relegation zone who were about to enter a critical transfer window by making sure they had a manager lined up to take the job before they fired their existing one. I'm sorry, but the evidence says that the answer is "clearly not."

Furthermore, Parrish's statement in which I believe he said something to the effect that he had started to wonder if Burley had been the wrong decision in the weeks before he finally departed merely adds insult to injury as not only were we unprepared with a successor when we did let him go, but it turns out we had known for some time that a change or manager was at least a possibility.

I have nothing against the board personally and, indeed, I thank them for saving the club. I am not on a vicarious mission to damn anyone. But this situation is a mess and I'm sorry but it makes our board look extremely incompetent in my book. I have yet to see any compelling evidence to persuade me to change this view. This is reality; I am simply judging by the facts as we know them.



Well in my opinion clearly they did and the fact that Dougie Freedman is now our manager suggests that you are wrong.


Really? You think that spending the first third of the transfer window in limbo only to appoint someone who was already at the club in the first place shows forward planning, organisation and aptitude?

Could you explain this?

As I've said elsewhere, the board is still very much learning how to run a football club so there are bound to be mistakes. It is to be expected. It does not mean that we should ignore them when they happen though - that would benefit nobody.

Entirely agree with your last paragraph.

However,on a more confrontational front I'd suggest that the 'limbo' you described involved a lot of hard work.

I'm sure they were looking well well before the Millwall game for a new manager.They had a short list of 20 candidates supposedly-that's a lot of paper work and a lot of appointments.

Even Eddie Howe alone may have taken 2-3 weeks to get to by the time the improved offer had been made.How do you not know that Dougie was there,in place during this period as the 100% plan 'b'?Does the fact he is already at the club really jeopardize CPFC2010's decisions?

The facts are that you don't know the boards business plan or exactly what happened,so why would you judge them?More to the point how can you judge them,they got their number 2 target in place just hours after their first choice fell through!


Edited by rawpalace05 (12 Jan 2011 11.02am)

I have no doubt they were working hard behind the scenes.

Steve Parish himself (trawl through the CPFC2010 thread if you like) said that they did not have anyone lined up when they sacked Burley.

They sacked Burley at a foolish, naive time. There is almost always a period of 'limbo' between managers - to have this period during the transfer window when everyone can see that we are short of players is careless at best. There's no getting away from it.


 


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Jan 2011 9.46am

Quote rawpalace05 at 12 Jan 2011 9.40am

Quote sydtheeagle at 11 Jan 2011 9.24pm

Quote rawpalace05 at 11 Jan 2011 8.13pm

Syd you haven't answered me.meanwhile you've criticised another poster for basing his argument on something that hasn't happened,a little hypocritical considering you haven't given our board even an afternoon to explain the situation.I will hold my hands up if there are no statements or appointments by first thing Thursday.

I rather thought I had answered you but in case I missed something, if you want to clearly pose the question again, I'd be happy to have a go at answering it.

Meanwhile, our board has had over a week now to demonstrate it was in control. The question is not about Eddie Howe specifically. Eddie Howe is neither here nor there and I don't care why he did or didn't take the job. The question is did they protect the interests of a club in the relegation zone who were about to enter a critical transfer window by making sure they had a manager lined up to take the job before they fired their existing one. I'm sorry, but the evidence says that the answer is "clearly not."

Furthermore, Parrish's statement in which I believe he said something to the effect that he had started to wonder if Burley had been the wrong decision in the weeks before he finally departed merely adds insult to injury as not only were we unprepared with a successor when we did let him go, but it turns out we had known for some time that a change or manager was at least a possibility.

I have nothing against the board personally and, indeed, I thank them for saving the club. I am not on a vicarious mission to damn anyone. But this situation is a mess and I'm sorry but it makes our board look extremely incompetent in my book. I have yet to see any compelling evidence to persuade me to change this view. This is reality; I am simply judging by the facts as we know them.



Well in my opinion clearly they did and the fact that Dougie Freedman is now our manager suggests that you are wrong.


Get out of that one, Syd.

This is really an embarrassingly facile post. An obvious mess is resolved by taking the "least worst" scenario and, rather like a petulant child, the best you can come up with is "so there...see...sorted...it was fine all along." I mean, come on. We all support Palace but if the comment above shows the limit of your critical faculties than it's no wonder the powers that be in football don't pay much attention to the thoughts of supporters. You sound like a ten year old trying to win an argument with his younger sister.

For all the reasons I've repeatedly and clearly given our board, who are learning on the job and no doubt have the best of intentions, made a pig's ear of this whole thing. I'm not going to repeat why. Just read my (multiple) previous posts --I've already explained it at some lengths.

Then, absent either a real plan or any of their preferred options like Howe being interested, at the eleventh hour, with the transfer window passing by and the pool of good candidates seemingly either diminishing or non-existent they give Dougie the job. Words that come to mind: least worst option. Damage limitation. No real alternatives.

Now with that said let me add: I am 100% behind the decision to hire Dougie. Given where we ended up in this process when Howe said no, in my view this was the right decision (it wouldn't have been my choice at the outset of the process, but in my view the board rightly identified Dougie as the best choice now that circumstances had intervened.) So for all the mess in how things have been run along the way, in the end the board have taken the sensible way out of a mess that they had made for themselves.

There is no animosity towards the board on my part. They're neophytes learning on the job and they're clearly finding the learning curve very steep. You try running a business with no experience of the industry. Trust me...it's not easy. You're going to make mistakes. But stop acting like a child. All I have done is drawn sensible conclusions based on observable evidence. This isn't a game of childish "he says, she says". It's business. It is not hard to judge whether things are being competently run or not and for the past 10 days, I'm afraid, they've been a mess.

Edited by sydtheeagle (12 Jan 2011 12.13pm)

 


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I haven't got the hours in the day to debate what was a very simple question in the first instance.

I do not believe I am being childish what so ever.You're the one who's ignored several of my posts(including my very first one) or at least not directly answered me,instead choosing to engulf me with a lesson of business and superior foresight ability.

At least SW2Eagle has suggested Parish has been on and admitted he possibly didn't have a plan 'b'.but that comment was a fairly pc one which could have meant anything.A concrete point nonetheless.

I guess I shouldn't have said anything if I wasn't prepared for the huge can of worms it's now opened up,your clearly not someone who will see reason beyond having a huge articulate waffle.

To me it was a simple point that not you nor anyone, really knew what work or plans had been carried out by CPFC2010 and that Dougie,was then very swiftly appointed.

Unfortunately for my creditability of argument,now even the board have said they are taking a gamble on DF as manager.

I'm willing to therefore remain open minded on the appointment in terms of its foundation,but my point remains that yesterday without full comprehension of the situation,you claimed it was a mess.

That is all.

Edited by rawpalace05 (12 Jan 2011 2.04pm)

 


1/6/2010.a new era.we made it everyone!!!lets get the ball rolling for another 105 years of proud history.thank you cpfc2010.

palace forever.eeaaaaaaaaaaaaaggglless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jesus, do you not have a job? I do the best I can. You're right, I don't read everything forensically; I don't reply to every last point people make, and I probably overlook (if not intentionally) a few valid things people say. But FFS, I work approximately 15 hours a day and dissecting Palace is, while obviously interesting, not my sole function in life. I tend to post a lot in short busts (when I have an hour free) and then I'm tied up for a much longer period, hence I come and go.

As for full comprehension, yes, I see what you're saying. However, to me if something walks like a duck and talks like a duck then even without a blood test, I'm prepared to leap to the conclusion that, yes, it is a duck. I saw a mess, and in my world you don't need inside information to say it. But if, in your world, you do then fair enough, that's your call.

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 12 Jan 2011 2.51pm

Jesus, do you not have a job? I do the best I can. You're right, I don't read everything forensically; I don't reply to every last point people make, and I probably overlook (if not intentionally) a few valid things people say. But FFS, I work approximately 15 hours a day and dissecting Palace is, while obviously interesting, not my sole function in life. I tend to post a lot in short busts (when I have an hour free) and then I'm tied up for a much longer period, hence I come and go.

As for full comprehension, yes, I see what you're saying. However, to me if something walks like a duck and talks like a duck then even without a blood test, I'm prepared to leap to the conclusion that, yes, it is a duck. I saw a mess, and in my world you don't need inside information to say it. But if, in your world, you do then fair enough, that's your call.

It is possible that sometimes your point can get lost behind the vehement way it is expressed. As you say, you don;t have any animosity towards the owners, but are pointing out where you think they were going wrong. I don't even think the two of you are necessarily that far apart in opinion of the situation, but are just viewing it from different places.

I will admit on first read-through of your initial post during the madness of this thread, it did initially look like an attack on the owners, rather than an observed critique of the situation and an expression of what you would like to have seen instead.

For what it's worth you are both excellent contributors to the site and should just have a big cyber-hug. But no more than that. Jesus is watching.

 


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Syd,at least your 15 hours a day working as a biologist is paying off.

Hambo,i'll give you your bung later.

 


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For what it's worth you are both excellent contributors to the site and should just have a big cyber-hug. But no more than that. Jesus is watching.


After 223 pages, you'd at least think he'd have the courtesy to post at least once...

 


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For what it's worth you are both excellent contributors to the site and should just have a big cyber-hug. But no more than that. Jesus is watching.


After 223 pages, you'd at least think he'd have the courtesy to post at least once...

Maybe he has...

Not saying I am Jesus, but if he did post on HOL, he'd definitely have moderator status...

 


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Eddie who ?

 

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The verbal jousting here has been first class. It is nice to read posts put forward by two of the more articulate posters on the HOL. The fact that their 'battle lines' are clearly drawn make for fascinating reading, and after all in most arguments there is no wrong or right - merely perspective.

The truth of the matter is that none of us know the intricate internal dealing of the board and club as a whole. What we are all commenting and speculating on is how their actions appear to the wider footballing world, ourselves as fans included. My own opinion on the matter is that the Eddie Howe saga dragged on, and because it did we were waiting around for what felt like an eternity not knowing what the short-term future had in store for our beloved CPFC.

The upshot of this is that the moralistic stance that the consortium took over replacing George (and I feel that not lining up a replacement before he went was out of courtesy and respect rather than much else) has potentially been shown to be a gamble at best. Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of not having a manager lined up in advance, the subsequent debacle of the 'Howe-gate' incident has meant that the board have appeared to be naive.

Whilst that may sound like a crticism, it is not as far as I am concerned (I don't believe that syd was intentionally digging them out either). I expect some learning curves to occur this season and into the next few as we are starting from relative scratch as a club. Only a few players and staff remain from what once was, with the only constant being us fans. What I really like about CPFC2010 is their openness and honesty. They also seem like quick learners and after getting themselves in a sticky spot over the last week - I feel that the appointment of Dougie showed that they acted quickly to resolve it. Time will tell on this, but I believe it to be yet another sign that they have learnt quickly. They even made a statement today indicating that they spent a week or so looking for something that was right under their noses the whole time. Fair play to you all for holding your hands up to that rather than trying to pass off some spin.

In short - we should understand the odd short-comings that the board may incur from time-to-time, but on the whole we are confident that you'll grow and prosper into fantastic chairmen. The ingredients are very much there.

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