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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 12.56pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm The Holmesdale stand was only built because a grant was available..... . In actual fact there was £2 Mill Grant aid available from both CPFC and Wimbledon, however there was a delay in the planning process and in the meantime the 'Lottery' was introduced which effectively killed off the grant money. Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2014 12.59pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 12.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm

The Holmesdale stand was only built because a grant was available.....

In actual fact there was £2 Mill Grant aid available from both CPFC and Wimbledon, however there was a delay in the planning process and in the meantime the 'Lottery' was introduced which effectively killed off the grant money.

Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2014 12.59pm)

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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 14 1.01pm
Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.51pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm All our on field success was due to Steve Coppell. Nothing to do with Noades, who got lucky appointing a cheap young manager at the time who just turned out to be a genius. . Luck or sound judgement ? Credit to Noades for appointing Coppell ! As for "On field success" it was actually Noades who scouted the likes of Bright, Thomas and Pemberton and he recommended them to Coppell.That said, the success achieved under Coppell would suggest that the appointment was a sound one ! Overwhelming LUCK! Our success was made despite Noades penny pinching ways and shows how resourceful Coppell was. Noades would have been too busy setting up his golf club empire to be scouting for players, but once they were on board he would have wasted no time trying to persuade them to switch to him and his wife's agency.
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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 14 1.01pm

Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.51pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm

All our on field success was due to Steve Coppell.

Nothing to do with Noades, who got lucky appointing a cheap young manager at the time who just turned out to be a genius.

Luck or sound judgement ?
Credit to Noades for appointing Coppell ! As for "On field success" it was actually Noades who scouted the likes of Bright, Thomas and Pemberton and he recommended them to Coppell.That said, the success achieved under Coppell would suggest that the appointment was a sound one !

Overwhelming LUCK!

Our success was made despite Noades penny pinching ways and shows how resourceful Coppell was.

Noades would have been too busy setting up his golf club empire to be scouting for players, but once they were on board he would have wasted no time trying to persuade them to switch to him and his wife's agency.

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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 14 1.03pm
Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm The Holmesdale stand was only built because a grant was available..... . In actual fact there was £2 Mill Grant aid available from both CPFC and Wimbledon, however there was a delay in the planning process and in the meantime the 'Lottery' was introduced which effectively killed off the grant money. Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2014 12.59pm) You quote a lot of unsubstantiated facts Willo. Are you saying CPFC never received a penny towards the building of the Holmesdale stand and have you proof?
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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 14 1.03pm

Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm

The Holmesdale stand was only built because a grant was available.....

Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2014 12.59pm)

You quote a lot of unsubstantiated facts Willo.

Are you saying CPFC never received a penny towards the building of the Holmesdale stand and have you proof?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 1.04pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.01pm Noades would have been too busy setting up his golf club empire to be scouting for players, This is absolute tosh ! He spent hours and hours on the road scouting players and made many trips up to the north including to Crewe where of course he picked up Thomas and Pemberton.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 1.04pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.01pm

Noades would have been too busy setting up his golf club empire to be scouting for players,

This is absolute tosh !
He spent hours and hours on the road scouting players and made many trips up to the north including to Crewe where of course he picked up Thomas and Pemberton.

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 16 Feb 14 1.04pm
You are correct Willo, but just need to put a bit more 'heart' where the money box sits!
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adrian b

Landrindod, Wales 16 Feb 14 1.04pm

You are correct Willo, but just need to put a bit more 'heart' where the money box sits!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 1.11pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.03pm Are you saying CPFC never received a penny towards the building of the Holmesdale stand and have you proof? I divulged details regarding the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money that was lost due to the introduction of the lottery. The 'Holmesdale' was costed at £8 Mill, Noades was hoping to raise £2.3 Mill from long-term season ticket sales and was hoping for the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money which of course never materialised. At the end of the day IF some of the money for the stand was from 'Grants' so what ????? Not only did Noades build the 'Holmesdale' he had plans to extend it around to the old stand but this was thwarted because new houses had been built by the 'Council' and there was an issue with light.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 1.11pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.03pm

Are you saying CPFC never received a penny towards the building of the Holmesdale stand and have you proof?

I divulged details regarding the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money that was lost due to the introduction of the lottery.

The 'Holmesdale' was costed at £8 Mill, Noades was hoping to raise £2.3 Mill from long-term season ticket sales and was hoping for the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money which of course never materialised.

At the end of the day IF some of the money for the stand was from 'Grants' so what ?????
Not only did Noades build the 'Holmesdale' he had plans to extend it around to the old stand but this was thwarted because new houses had been built by the 'Council' and there was an issue with light.

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johnburgess888 Caterham 16 Feb 14 1.42pm
Will be getting no recognition from me. Couldn't stand what he did when he was alive so wouldn't be hypocritical enough to change my opinion of him because he's dead. Any loss of life is sad but I'm not going to celebrate the man. Tune in to Palace Radio for all your matchday action. Palace Radio is available on 1278AM, Palace Player and visit the website [Link] Call: 020 8653 5796 Text: 079 100 60 919
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Will be getting no recognition from me. Couldn't stand what he did when he was alive so wouldn't be hypocritical enough to change my opinion of him because he's dead. Any loss of life is sad but I'm not going to celebrate the man.

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Plane Bromley 16 Feb 14 2.00pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.20am Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.07am Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 10.54am Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Feb 2014 4.15pm My post did make the point that it was not illegal (highlighted in red). Whilst his actions broke no laws, he was hardly being a benefactor to CPFC as he had bought the club for a song and could have led Palace to even greater success but he chose to be greedy and cash in. That behaviour does not warrant him being "honoured" by the club, in my opinion. Yes, I can read. So chairmen need to be benefactors to the club to fulfil your ideal of a chairman, perhaps you ought to mention that to CPFC2010, should they just plough all of their wealth in to satisfy your ambition? He bought the club for a song as it had been run down by the previous incumbent and no-one else wanted it, or put another way, he saw an opportunity and had the money to achieve it. You've side stepped the question I want you and others to answer, why shouldn't he spend money made from his business? I can read too. If you can read why did you feel the need to point out something I had already acknowledged? Why are you being so aggressive? You have an opinion and so do I. No need for it. I have not "sidestepped" anything but made it plain that I do not regard him as a benefactor and therefore totally unacceptable as a potential candidate to be honoured. Earlier you suggested that Noades was similar to myself (based on my right leaning politics and capitalist views I guess), but as far as Palace is concerned he is nothing like me - if I had a windfall I would donate it to Palace without question. I would not be looking for a return on my money. Lets hope I've cleared that up without the need for you to be in my face about it.... LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Feb 2014 11.09am) I'm not being aggressive Hoof, there's not any point in pursuing this as you have again failed to answer anything I've asked you. I haven't though? OK, highlight for me where you have answered this much asked question, the one I've highlighted in red. From your comments on this topic after this post, you seem unable to acknowledge that Noades did anything correctly, as I've said before, try taking your emotion out of the equation and look at the facts.
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Plane

Bromley 16 Feb 14 2.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.20am

Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 11.18am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.07am

Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 10.54am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Feb 2014 4.15pm

My post did make the point that it was not illegal (highlighted in red).

Whilst his actions broke no laws, he was hardly being a benefactor to CPFC as he had bought the club for a song and could have led Palace to even greater success but he chose to be greedy and cash in.

That behaviour does not warrant him being "honoured" by the club, in my opinion.

Yes, I can read.

So chairmen need to be benefactors to the club to fulfil your ideal of a chairman, perhaps you ought to mention that to CPFC2010, should they just plough all of their wealth in to satisfy your ambition? He bought the club for a song as it had been run down by the previous incumbent and no-one else wanted it, or put another way, he saw an opportunity and had the money to achieve it.

You've side stepped the question I want you and others to answer, why shouldn't he spend money made from his business?

I can read too.

If you can read why did you feel the need to point out something I had already acknowledged?

Why are you being so aggressive? You have an opinion and so do I. No need for it.

I have not "sidestepped" anything but made it plain that I do not regard him as a benefactor and therefore totally unacceptable as a potential candidate to be honoured.

Earlier you suggested that Noades was similar to myself (based on my right leaning politics and capitalist views I guess), but as far as Palace is concerned he is nothing like me - if I had a windfall I would donate it to Palace without question. I would not be looking for a return on my money.

Lets hope I've cleared that up without the need for you to be in my face about it.... LOL

Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Feb 2014 11.09am)

I'm not being aggressive Hoof, there's not any point in pursuing this as you have again failed to answer anything I've asked you.

I haven't though?

OK, highlight for me where you have answered this much asked question, the one I've highlighted in red.

From your comments on this topic after this post, you seem unable to acknowledge that Noades did anything correctly, as I've said before, try taking your emotion out of the equation and look at the facts.

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 16 Feb 14 2.04pm
Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 11.36am Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Feb 2014 11.29pm The Noades 'restructuring' of the 80's is classified by the FA as an administration, so he was the first to lead us down that ignominious road before Goldberg and Jordan. Hogwash. There was NO 'Administration' under Noades and you know it. Like him or loathe him he took over a club on it's knees with gates under 6,000 and whilst he was at the helm we were promoted into the top division, made it to 3rd in that division, went to an FA Cup final, won the ZDS final in fact went to Wembley 5 times.And of course he improved the facilities with the building of the Holmesdale and Whitehorse stands.Not a bad record ! As I have said Noades divides opinions and of course this leads to interesting debates on HOL !!!! I think I have said enough about Noades so nothing more to add. The Anti-Noades fraternity will certainly NOT change my viewpoint ! For someone who has nothing further to say you seem to have added another five posts since this one. Why say it if you don't mean it?
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Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 11.36am

Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Feb 2014 11.29pm

The Noades 'restructuring' of the 80's is classified by the FA as an administration, so he was the first to lead us down that ignominious road before Goldberg and Jordan.

Hogwash.
There was NO 'Administration' under Noades and you know it.

Like him or loathe him he took over a club on it's knees with gates under 6,000 and whilst he was at the helm we were promoted into the top division, made it to 3rd in that division, went to an FA Cup final, won the ZDS final in fact went to Wembley 5 times.And of course he improved the facilities with the building of the Holmesdale and Whitehorse stands.Not a bad record !

As I have said Noades divides opinions and of course this leads to interesting debates on HOL !!!!

I think I have said enough about Noades so nothing more to add. The Anti-Noades fraternity will certainly NOT change my viewpoint !

For someone who has nothing further to say you seem to have added another five posts since this one. Why say it if you don't mean it?

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Plane Bromley 16 Feb 14 2.04pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.01pm Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.51pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm All our on field success was due to Steve Coppell. Nothing to do with Noades, who got lucky appointing a cheap young manager at the time who just turned out to be a genius. . Luck or sound judgement ? Credit to Noades for appointing Coppell ! As for "On field success" it was actually Noades who scouted the likes of Bright, Thomas and Pemberton and he recommended them to Coppell.That said, the success achieved under Coppell would suggest that the appointment was a sound one ! Overwhelming LUCK! Our success was made despite Noades penny pinching ways and shows how resourceful Coppell was. Noades would have been too busy setting up his golf club empire to be scouting for players, but once they were on board he would have wasted no time trying to persuade them to switch to him and his wife's agency. On the one hand you respect Coppell, on the other hand you detest Noades, why did SC always remain friends with Noades as did Bright and Wright and probably a lot of others. Stevie Coppell knew him up close and personal, if Stevie respects him then that's good enough for me tbh.
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Plane

Bromley 16 Feb 14 2.04pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.01pm

Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 12.51pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 12.46pm

All our on field success was due to Steve Coppell.

Nothing to do with Noades, who got lucky appointing a cheap young manager at the time who just turned out to be a genius.

Overwhelming LUCK!

Our success was made despite Noades penny pinching ways and shows how resourceful Coppell was.

On the one hand you respect Coppell, on the other hand you detest Noades, why did SC always remain friends with Noades as did Bright and Wright and probably a lot of others. Stevie Coppell knew him up close and personal, if Stevie respects him then that's good enough for me tbh.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 2.30pm
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Feb 2014 2.04pm For someone who has nothing further to say you seem to have added another five posts since this one. Why say it if you don't mean it? I did mean it but got lured into further debate - shame on me !!!!
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 14 2.30pm

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Feb 2014 2.04pm

For someone who has nothing further to say you seem to have added another five posts since this one. Why say it if you don't mean it?

I did mean it but got lured into further debate - shame on me !!!!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Feb 14 2.39pm
Noades should be honoured, everyone really except Goldberk who bought the club did their best by it and contributed significantly to it. Even Simon 'I'm a massive tw*t' Jordon. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Noades should be honoured, everyone really except Goldberk who bought the club did their best by it and contributed significantly to it. Even Simon 'I'm a massive tw*t' Jordon.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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