Look at it the way it is in reality.

Yes we have won only two away games – versus Hull and Villa.

We lost away at Norwich and also WBA and Stoke but the last two were prior to TP’s arrival.

Therefore of the bottom half teams we have played five winning two and losing three.

We have away games against five bottom half teams to play. It is far from ridiculous to suggest that we can get at least two wins and possible two draws from these games. An absolute minimum of eight points.

We then have winnable home games against Villa and Southampton, the latter having little to play for.

I would also be surprised if we do not pull of a shock win against Man C, Chelsea or Liverpool at home.

As I said in a previous post IMO we will get at least 41 points.

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It depends on the game. If we're playing Man United, the more effective approach was to let them dominate possession and stay resolutely organised. We did that in the first half and conceded no goals. We came out of the blocks in the second half and while it looks more ambitious, we conceded two goals. When we are playing weaker sides I would definitely advocate a more attacking method as we need the goals to keep us up. Could have been a valuable point yesterday though.

Sunderland and Newcastle away will be tough but we can probably afford to be a bit more ambitious there. West Ham, Cardiff, Fulham away - all games we can get points from IMO. For most of the home games we might be wiser to stay organised at the back and aim for a point.

Hopefully we can beat Saints or (and?) Villa.

Staying optimistic for now.

When it comes to Palace the glass is empty, never mind half full with me. I also am worried, but we are nowhere near as bad as about five others in this division, but we just rarely get the luck. Take away everyone's bonus points and we would be well safe already, but we have only one bonus point against Everton to show for not being outplayed by any of the big boys. Bottle is gonna play as massive part in the run in.

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And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

Ive got final table down like this:

10 Swansea 42pts
11 West Ham 42pts
12 Aston Villa 40pts
13 Stoke 38pts
14 Sunderland 38pts maybe 37pts
15 Crystal Palace 36pts
16 Fulham 34pts
17 Hull 34pts
18 Norwich 33pts
19 West Brom 31pts
20 Cardiff 30pts

cry v mnu L
eve v cry L
swa v cry D = 27
cry v sou D = 28
sun v cry D = 29
new v cry L
cry v che L
car v cry D = 30
cry v ast W = 33
whu v cry L
cry v mnc L
cry v liv L
ful v cry W 36

Edited by movingforward (23 Feb 2014 6.02pm)

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Albert Einstein

Yet again a relegation rival picks up bonus points against one of the big boys. Our inability to get some points in these games could be crucial.
Can someone with a lot of time on their hands come up with a table without the bonus points? Would be interesting to see.

Edited by Dangermouse (23 Feb 2014 6.00pm)

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

Last time we went down we beat Liverpool and drew with Arsenal and Man U at home. I was disappointed by yesterdays performance, attack wise. Against top teams i think we need a slightly different approach than playing teams around us