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Can't believe some on here are insinuating they'd like to get rid of TP! I tell you what, if the board chose differently we could have had an 'R' next to our name in a couple of weeks...
A few years ago we was all outside sainsburys singing for our club to remain a club and now we've got fans coming out with this utter s***e. How could anyone prefer to go down "playing good football" what the f***?! Take a look around, it's about being effective in the world of football and GETTING RESULTS. Chelsea are top of the league but don't play football close to the standards of City but Mourinho knows to win the premier league you need a solid back 4 and the ability to grind out results! Tony Pulis is a legend whether we stay up or not to get us in the position he has and if people wanna "go down but play 'nicer' football" I don't know what planet they're living on. Come on guys, we waited almost 10 years for the opportunity to play in the premier league again and the support just seems so negative recently! The atmosphere was very poor on Saturday also, we need to stop expecting so much and get behind the team no matter what, win or lose, good or bad! I don't know if anyone also recalls we were favourites to go down with the lowest points ever and look at us now! We shouldn't be bitching, we should be proud and trust Pulis, look at all the other teams who got new managers (Fulham, Cardiff, West Brom etc.) I bet they would've done anything to get someone like Pulis in! Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.32am) Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.37am)
Having a game plan which seemingly is to sit on our own 18 yard box, let the opposition have the ball, maybe get a foot in and then see what happens, especially at home, is just a wasted opportunity. Going down by losing by the odd goal in every game is still going down (although I dont care what Div we are in - I cant say I enjoy this PL mallarkey one bit) As was shown at Swansea - when we look for more 'go forward' we can cause teams problems - time to drop the two defensive midfield shields and put someone who might be able to create something - and play 5 yards higher up the pitch...as we did at Swansea 2nd half This cedeing the ball to the opposition is crazy. We all know we have limitations and that Holloway for the most part bought a load of old sh*t and I am not advocating some gung ho, Charge of the Light Brigade forward every time we get the ball but we have to tip the balance more to going forward. We have to create something for Murray
Swansea and Southampton are better teams than us, and all but a stupid mistake by Puncheon, we would've got a point against them which would've been excellent - Southampton are a QUALITY side. Swansea absolutely destroyed us at home under Holloway and FULHAM beat us 4-1!!! We are playing much better under Pulis and WE ARE OUT OF THE RELEGATION ZONE. I just can't understand people that are criticizing this guy!? Before he came we wouldn't still be in with a shout in our wildest dreams! The support has gone down hill of late and it really is frustrating, some people need to remember where we came from - we have the best chance to stay up in the Premier League for the first time in our history and if we do so Tony Pulis is nothing short of a legend! End of story, how people disagree with that because of so called "hoof ball" is beyond me! D'you think Chelsea fans right now are moaning about Mourinho and saying "I'd prefer to come second playing better football than City". It's ridiculous!
They arent 'quality' - they are decent, better than us man for man, but to play so defensively and not shake them out of their complacency all game was shocking. Southampton were comfortable all afternoon because we simply didnt press of test them at all...and that was down to a) some players turning in absolutley dreadful performances and b) the way we set up Forget Puncheons cock up, forget the idiot Webb - We had one shot of any meaning in 90 minutes at home Southampton are quality, full stop. If you disagree, you clearly haven't watched the premier league this seaon - if we tried to match them for quality it would'be been humiliation and people such as yourself would be slagging off Pulis even more. We are punching way above our weight with the team we have and under anyone else would be a certainty for relegation at this point of the season. And in terms of Puncheouns cock up - forgetting it is pointless, it happened and the fact of the matter "hoof-ball" or not, if he didn't make the error, we would've got a point and I said before the match I'd take a point all day long against Southampton. I honestly don't know what Palace fans want at times, it's just a constant whinge about something - we should appreciate what Pulis has done for this club and judge him on results - Rome wasn't built in a day and tryna take risks and set up some Barca type s*** with the quality we have and the position we're in would be absolute suicide. Some people just don't understand tactics or football and what it takes to get to the top - RESULTS. I'll go back to the example of Mourinho and even Sir Alex last season, neither team played anywhere near the quality or slickness of Manchester City but they got the points when it mattered by having a solid foundation and ensuring they get the points required and I'm sure neither set of fans complained when they won the title and we shouldn't be complaining about "hoof ball" when we are in our position that shouldn't be in our wildest dreams! We can worry about football at a later stage, and be concerned if we're still playing this style of football 3 seasons down the line - right now and for the next couple of seasons (if we stay up), our main focus HAS to be survival - if you say you would prefer to be in the Championship but play "more attractive" football then I think you have forgotten that this is a COMPETITIVE SPORT and the dream of every single team in the Championship is TO BE IN THE PREMIERSHIP - not play more attractive football without the results! It seems again another simple quite obvious thing has blown out of proportion with some really, really odd views - I understand not everyone will agree but how any Palace fan can say they would prefer for us to go down then stay up REGARDLESS of the football is just completely and utterly beyond me. Come on! We are on the brink of making history at this football club and people are bitching the "football isn't good enough" - that's absolute madness!!
Take a deep breath, swallow your ritalin and read my posts again, youll see I am not whingeing or pissing about the 'attractiveness' or otherwise of the fayre on offer but more the fact we set up to play 80 minutes on the edge of our own penalty area - that will not keep us up. We need to balance the attack / defence better or we will simply go down on a raft of unlucky 1-0 defeats If that Southampton team who turned up on Saturday were 'quality' then I suggest you havent watched much PL football either and no amount of you going off on wilding w*nking ranting tangents about Slur Alex or the Special Needs One will make me think otherwise. You go on about it being about results, sorry I mean RESULTS. Well we arent getting them at the sharp end are we but more importantly the good performances we put up at the likes of Chelsea and Old Traffors are looking like distant memories - and thats a worry On the day Southampton were beatable and after a ten minute or so flurry at the start we simply allowed them to play their way in to the game and pretty much exert no energy staying in it and staying ahead. Its not about matching them for 'quality' as I said if you could be bothered to read it - man for man they are far better but to essentially give them such a comfortable afternoon through a combination of a) players just not playing and b) Setting up so we just cede 80 odd yards of pitch to them in the hope we win the ball, hoof it in Glenn Murrays general direction in the hope something happens off the back of it is not tactical genius....one shot on goal in anger and one Bolassie run which should have been a red in 90 minutes was the sum total of our attacking threat and that wasnt down to Southampton being better on the day - It was down to us Edited by The Sash (10 Mar 2014 1.00pm) Well done - good reply. Just to remind you again - forgetting statistics, we lost 1-0 to a mistake. Just saying
We had one shot, straight into the keepers middle - they not only scored but hit a post and had a free kick scrape just over and they did that playing largely lethargically and comfortably, Jules also pulled off a 'worldy' not knowing the flag was up for offside They had no need to chase or quicken the game and dare I say it probably saw that we were so deep they knew they didnt need to break a sweat to hold on. Whichever way you cut it Pulis and the players got it monumentally wrong on Saturday - forget the goal, tactically it was not what was required on the day
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Can't believe some on here are insinuating they'd like to get rid of TP! I tell you what, if the board chose differently we could have had an 'R' next to our name in a couple of weeks...
A few years ago we was all outside sainsburys singing for our club to remain a club and now we've got fans coming out with this utter s***e. How could anyone prefer to go down "playing good football" what the f***?! Take a look around, it's about being effective in the world of football and GETTING RESULTS. Chelsea are top of the league but don't play football close to the standards of City but Mourinho knows to win the premier league you need a solid back 4 and the ability to grind out results! Tony Pulis is a legend whether we stay up or not to get us in the position he has and if people wanna "go down but play 'nicer' football" I don't know what planet they're living on. Come on guys, we waited almost 10 years for the opportunity to play in the premier league again and the support just seems so negative recently! The atmosphere was very poor on Saturday also, we need to stop expecting so much and get behind the team no matter what, win or lose, good or bad! I don't know if anyone also recalls we were favourites to go down with the lowest points ever and look at us now! We shouldn't be bitching, we should be proud and trust Pulis, look at all the other teams who got new managers (Fulham, Cardiff, West Brom etc.) I bet they would've done anything to get someone like Pulis in! Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.32am) Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.37am)
Having a game plan which seemingly is to sit on our own 18 yard box, let the opposition have the ball, maybe get a foot in and then see what happens, especially at home, is just a wasted opportunity. Going down by losing by the odd goal in every game is still going down As was shown at Swansea - when we look for more 'go forward' we can cause teams problems - time to drop the two defensive midfield shields and put someone who might be able to create something - and play 5 yards higher up the pitch...as we did at Swansea 2nd half This cedeing the ball to the opposition is crazy. We all know we have limitations and that Holloway for the most part bought a load of old sh*t and I am not advocating some gung ho, Charge of the Light Brigade forward every time we get the ball but we have to tip the balance more to going forward. We have to create something for Murray
Swansea and Southampton are better teams than us, and all but a stupid mistake by Puncheon, we would've got a point against them which would've been excellent - Southampton are a QUALITY side. Swansea absolutely destroyed us at home under Holloway and FULHAM beat us 4-1!!! We are playing much better under Pulis and WE ARE OUT OF THE RELEGATION ZONE. I just can't understand people that are criticizing this guy!? Before he came we wouldn't still be in with a shout in our wildest dreams! The support has gone down hill of late and it really is frustrating, some people need to remember where we came from - we have the best chance to stay up in the Premier League for the first time in our history and if we do so Tony Pulis is nothing short of a legend! End of story, how people disagree with that because of so called "hoof ball" is beyond me! D'you think Chelsea fans right now are moaning about Mourinho and saying "I'd prefer to come second playing better football than City". It's ridiculous!
They arent 'quality' - they are decent, better than us man for man, but to play so defensively and not shake them out of their complacency all game was shocking. Southampton were comfortable all afternoon because we simply didnt press of test them at all...and that was down to a) some players turning in absolutley dreadful performances and b) the way we set up Forget Puncheons cock up, forget the idiot Webb - We had one shot of any meaning in 90 minutes at home Southampton are quality, full stop. If you disagree, you clearly haven't watched the premier league this seaon - if we tried to match them for quality it would'be been humiliation and people such as yourself would be slagging off Pulis even more. We are punching way above our weight with the team we have and under anyone else would be a certainty for relegation at this point of the season. And in terms of Puncheouns cock up - forgetting it is pointless, it happened and the fact of the matter "hoof-ball" or not, if he didn't make the error, we would've got a point and I said before the match I'd take a point all day long against Southampton. I honestly don't know what Palace fans want at times, it's just a constant whinge about something - we should appreciate what Pulis has done for this club and judge him on results - Rome wasn't built in a day and tryna take risks and set up some Barca type s*** with the quality we have and the position we're in would be absolute suicide. Some people just don't understand tactics or football and what it takes to get to the top - RESULTS. I'll go back to the example of Mourinho and even Sir Alex last season, neither team played anywhere near the quality or slickness of Manchester City but they got the points when it mattered by having a solid foundation and ensuring they get the points required and I'm sure neither set of fans complained when they won the title and we shouldn't be complaining about "hoof ball" when we are in our position that shouldn't be in our wildest dreams! We can worry about football at a later stage, and be concerned if we're still playing this style of football 3 seasons down the line - right now and for the next couple of seasons (if we stay up), our main focus HAS to be survival - if you say you would prefer to be in the Championship but play "more attractive" football then I think you have forgotten that this is a COMPETITIVE SPORT and the dream of every single team in the Championship is TO BE IN THE PREMIERSHIP - not play more attractive football without the results! It seems again another simple quite obvious thing has blown out of proportion with some really, really odd views - I understand not everyone will agree but how any Palace fan can say they would prefer for us to go down then stay up REGARDLESS of the football is just completely and utterly beyond me. Come on! We are on the brink of making history at this football club and people are bitching the "football isn't good enough" - that's absolute madness!!
Take a deep breath, swallow your ritalin and read my posts again, youll see I am not whingeing or pissing about the 'attractiveness' or otherwise of the fayre on offer but more the fact we set up to play 80 minutes on the edge of our own penalty area - that will not keep us up. We need to balance the attack / defence better or we will simply go down on a raft of unlucky 1-0 defeats If that Southampton team who turned up on Saturday were 'quality' then I suggest you havent watched much PL football either and no amount of you going off on wilding w*nking ranting tangents about Slur Alex or the Special Needs One will make me think otherwise. You go on about it being about results, sorry I mean RESULTS. Well we arent getting them at the sharp end are we but more importantly the good performances we put up at the likes of Chelsea and Old Traffors are looking like distant memories - and thats a worry On the day Southampton were beatable and after a ten minute or so flurry at the start we simply allowed them to play their way in to the game and pretty much exert no energy staying in it and staying ahead. Its not about matching them for 'quality' as I said if you could be bothered to read it - man for man they are far better but to essentially give them such a comfortable afternoon through a combination of a) players just not playing and b) Setting up so we just cede 80 odd yards of pitch to them in the hope we win the ball, hoof it in Glenn Murrays general direction in the hope something happens off the back of it is not tactical genius....one shot on goal in anger and one Bolassie run which should have been a red in 90 minutes was the sum total of our attacking threat and that wasnt down to Southampton being better on the day - It was down to us Well done - good reply. Just to remind you again - forgetting statistics, we lost 1-0 to a mistake. Just saying
We had one shot, straight into the keepers middle - they not only scored but hit a post and had a free kick scrape just over and they did that playing largely lethargically and comfortably, Jules also pulled off a 'worldy' not knowing the flag was up for offside They had no need to chase or quicken the game and dare I say it probably saw that we were so deep they knew they didnt need to break a sweat to hold on. Whichever way you cut it Pulis and the players got it monumentally wrong on Saturday - forget the goal, tactically it was not what was required on the day Not denying we were poor on Saturday because we were - that being an excuse to not care about what league we are in - "(although I dont care what Div we are in - I cant say I enjoy this PL mallarkey one bit)" Is extreme. To criticize Pulis like this after what he has done to this club is extreme and unnecessary. Like I said, certain clubs around us would've dreamed to have Pulis take over and probably would'be appreciated him a lot more. We are still bottom 3 (if not bottom) in terms of quality so if we stay up, Tony Pulis will be a legend whether people agree or not - he will go down in history as the first man to ever keep Crystal Palace football club in the Premier League, let's hope it happens and everyone can be a bit more optimistic and supportive (although supporters job is to 'support')
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I think it is fair to say TP had to play a different team to his usual, so don 't keep going on about not changing the line up. The real problem is the actual performance. No pressing or fight. Would that have been different with Ward at FB and Chamakh in? Moxey really is a fighter, but wasn't pushed at them. Parr aint no fighter either, so that wouldn't have altered the play. Perhaps TP is waiting for the opposition to wear themselves out!
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Can't believe some on here are insinuating they'd like to get rid of TP! I tell you what, if the board chose differently we could have had an 'R' next to our name in a couple of weeks...
A few years ago we was all outside sainsburys singing for our club to remain a club and now we've got fans coming out with this utter s***e. How could anyone prefer to go down "playing good football" what the f***?! Take a look around, it's about being effective in the world of football and GETTING RESULTS. Chelsea are top of the league but don't play football close to the standards of City but Mourinho knows to win the premier league you need a solid back 4 and the ability to grind out results! Tony Pulis is a legend whether we stay up or not to get us in the position he has and if people wanna "go down but play 'nicer' football" I don't know what planet they're living on. Come on guys, we waited almost 10 years for the opportunity to play in the premier league again and the support just seems so negative recently! The atmosphere was very poor on Saturday also, we need to stop expecting so much and get behind the team no matter what, win or lose, good or bad! I don't know if anyone also recalls we were favourites to go down with the lowest points ever and look at us now! We shouldn't be bitching, we should be proud and trust Pulis, look at all the other teams who got new managers (Fulham, Cardiff, West Brom etc.) I bet they would've done anything to get someone like Pulis in! Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.32am) Edited by Mstrobez (10 Mar 2014 8.37am)
Having a game plan which seemingly is to sit on our own 18 yard box, let the opposition have the ball, maybe get a foot in and then see what happens, especially at home, is just a wasted opportunity. Going down by losing by the odd goal in every game is still going down As was shown at Swansea - when we look for more 'go forward' we can cause teams problems - time to drop the two defensive midfield shields and put someone who might be able to create something - and play 5 yards higher up the pitch...as we did at Swansea 2nd half This cedeing the ball to the opposition is crazy. We all know we have limitations and that Holloway for the most part bought a load of old sh*t and I am not advocating some gung ho, Charge of the Light Brigade forward every time we get the ball but we have to tip the balance more to going forward. We have to create something for Murray
Swansea and Southampton are better teams than us, and all but a stupid mistake by Puncheon, we would've got a point against them which would've been excellent - Southampton are a QUALITY side. Swansea absolutely destroyed us at home under Holloway and FULHAM beat us 4-1!!! We are playing much better under Pulis and WE ARE OUT OF THE RELEGATION ZONE. I just can't understand people that are criticizing this guy!? Before he came we wouldn't still be in with a shout in our wildest dreams! The support has gone down hill of late and it really is frustrating, some people need to remember where we came from - we have the best chance to stay up in the Premier League for the first time in our history and if we do so Tony Pulis is nothing short of a legend! End of story, how people disagree with that because of so called "hoof ball" is beyond me! D'you think Chelsea fans right now are moaning about Mourinho and saying "I'd prefer to come second playing better football than City". It's ridiculous!
They arent 'quality' - they are decent, better than us man for man, but to play so defensively and not shake them out of their complacency all game was shocking. Southampton were comfortable all afternoon because we simply didnt press of test them at all...and that was down to a) some players turning in absolutley dreadful performances and b) the way we set up Forget Puncheons cock up, forget the idiot Webb - We had one shot of any meaning in 90 minutes at home Southampton are quality, full stop. If you disagree, you clearly haven't watched the premier league this seaon - if we tried to match them for quality it would'be been humiliation and people such as yourself would be slagging off Pulis even more. We are punching way above our weight with the team we have and under anyone else would be a certainty for relegation at this point of the season. And in terms of Puncheouns cock up - forgetting it is pointless, it happened and the fact of the matter "hoof-ball" or not, if he didn't make the error, we would've got a point and I said before the match I'd take a point all day long against Southampton. I honestly don't know what Palace fans want at times, it's just a constant whinge about something - we should appreciate what Pulis has done for this club and judge him on results - Rome wasn't built in a day and tryna take risks and set up some Barca type s*** with the quality we have and the position we're in would be absolute suicide. Some people just don't understand tactics or football and what it takes to get to the top - RESULTS. I'll go back to the example of Mourinho and even Sir Alex last season, neither team played anywhere near the quality or slickness of Manchester City but they got the points when it mattered by having a solid foundation and ensuring they get the points required and I'm sure neither set of fans complained when they won the title and we shouldn't be complaining about "hoof ball" when we are in our position that shouldn't be in our wildest dreams! We can worry about football at a later stage, and be concerned if we're still playing this style of football 3 seasons down the line - right now and for the next couple of seasons (if we stay up), our main focus HAS to be survival - if you say you would prefer to be in the Championship but play "more attractive" football then I think you have forgotten that this is a COMPETITIVE SPORT and the dream of every single team in the Championship is TO BE IN THE PREMIERSHIP - not play more attractive football without the results! It seems again another simple quite obvious thing has blown out of proportion with some really, really odd views - I understand not everyone will agree but how any Palace fan can say they would prefer for us to go down then stay up REGARDLESS of the football is just completely and utterly beyond me. Come on! We are on the brink of making history at this football club and people are bitching the "football isn't good enough" - that's absolute madness!!
Take a deep breath, swallow your ritalin and read my posts again, youll see I am not whingeing or pissing about the 'attractiveness' or otherwise of the fayre on offer but more the fact we set up to play 80 minutes on the edge of our own penalty area - that will not keep us up. We need to balance the attack / defence better or we will simply go down on a raft of unlucky 1-0 defeats If that Southampton team who turned up on Saturday were 'quality' then I suggest you havent watched much PL football either and no amount of you going off on wilding w*nking ranting tangents about Slur Alex or the Special Needs One will make me think otherwise. You go on about it being about results, sorry I mean RESULTS. Well we arent getting them at the sharp end are we but more importantly the good performances we put up at the likes of Chelsea and Old Traffors are looking like distant memories - and thats a worry On the day Southampton were beatable and after a ten minute or so flurry at the start we simply allowed them to play their way in to the game and pretty much exert no energy staying in it and staying ahead. Its not about matching them for 'quality' as I said if you could be bothered to read it - man for man they are far better but to essentially give them such a comfortable afternoon through a combination of a) players just not playing and b) Setting up so we just cede 80 odd yards of pitch to them in the hope we win the ball, hoof it in Glenn Murrays general direction in the hope something happens off the back of it is not tactical genius....one shot on goal in anger and one Bolassie run which should have been a red in 90 minutes was the sum total of our attacking threat and that wasnt down to Southampton being better on the day - It was down to us Well done - good reply. Just to remind you again - forgetting statistics, we lost 1-0 to a mistake. Just saying
We had one shot, straight into the keepers middle - they not only scored but hit a post and had a free kick scrape just over and they did that playing largely lethargically and comfortably, Jules also pulled off a 'worldy' not knowing the flag was up for offside They had no need to chase or quicken the game and dare I say it probably saw that we were so deep they knew they didnt need to break a sweat to hold on. Whichever way you cut it Pulis and the players got it monumentally wrong on Saturday - forget the goal, tactically it was not what was required on the day Not denying we were poor on Saturday because we were - that being an excuse to not care about what league we are in - "(although I dont care what Div we are in - I cant say I enjoy this PL mallarkey one bit)" Is extreme. To criticize Pulis like this after what he has done to this club is extreme and unnecessary. Like I said, certain clubs around us would've dreamed to have Pulis take over and probably would'be appreciated him a lot more. We are still bottom 3 (if not bottom) in terms of quality so if we stay up, Tony Pulis will be a legend whether people agree or not - he will go down in history as the first man to ever keep Crystal Palace football club in the Premier League, let's hope it happens and everyone can be a bit more optimistic and supportive (although supporters job is to 'support')
We got the best manager we could have at the time to keep us up against the odds, the fact we are still in with a shout is almost a miracle when you look at what a balls up Holloway made but that still doesn't bestow a messiah like untouchable quality on Pulis - Saturday was a cock up, even given the limitation of what he has to work with, the first half against Swansea was a cock up - two games where 6 points could have been possible imho, if we had shown some ambition beyond grinding out a 0-0 if we were lucky
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| Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 10 Mar 14 2.54pm |
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We will not stay up by trying to go toe-to-toe with anyone else we face, because half of the teams in the league are better equipped and are far more experienced. We try to do what we can, and in a formation that helps to make us hard to beat. Because of this, certain players don't for into certain roles, hence the lack of appearances from Bannan, and when he has played, it has been out wide. With how we play, the two central midfielders need to be more defensively minded, ball winners and the "get stuck in" types. Bannan's best position in how we play, would be in front of Jedi/KG and behind the lone striker, but we have an option there in Chamakh that is arguably better suited and offers more options. Whatever happens this season, we need a bit of a shakeup; players in and out, and find some square pegs for the square holes. One thing I am certain on though, is that if you want a manager to fight for you in a position such as ours, it's Tony Pulis. Personally, I have to trust him to do the best he can, because if he can't keep us up, there aren't any realistic potential managers that could have done a better job. We just have to sing loud and proud, not give up and believe. Not to mention cross as many fingers as possible.
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We will not stay up by trying to go toe-to-toe with anyone else we face, because half of the teams in the league are better equipped and are far more experienced. We try to do what we can, and in a formation that helps to make us hard to beat. Because of this, certain players don't for into certain roles, hence the lack of appearances from Bannan, and when he has played, it has been out wide. With how we play, the two central midfielders need to be more defensively minded, ball winners and the "get stuck in" types. Bannan's best position in how we play, would be in front of Jedi/KG and behind the lone striker, but we have an option there in Chamakh that is arguably better suited and offers more options. Whatever happens this season, we need a bit of a shakeup; players in and out, and find some square pegs for the square holes. One thing I am certain on though, is that if you want a manager to fight for you in a position such as ours, it's Tony Pulis. Personally, I have to trust him to do the best he can, because if he can't keep us up, there aren't any realistic potential managers that could have done a better job. We just have to sing loud and proud, not give up and believe. Not to mention cross as many fingers as possible. If, as you say, most teams are better equipped than us, means we need to go toe-to-toe. Do you think Palace should try to out play them? That doesn't make sense, unless you're saying others teams are more physical and would beat Palace up. Can't make out what you mean.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 10 Mar 14 3.25pm |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 10 Mar 2014 2.54pm
We will not stay up by trying to go toe-to-toe with anyone else we face, because half of the teams in the league are better equipped and are far more experienced. We try to do what we can, and in a formation that helps to make us hard to beat. Because of this, certain players don't for into certain roles, hence the lack of appearances from Bannan, and when he has played, it has been out wide. With how we play, the two central midfielders need to be more defensively minded, ball winners and the "get stuck in" types. Bannan's best position in how we play, would be in front of Jedi/KG and behind the lone striker, but we have an option there in Chamakh that is arguably better suited and offers more options. Whatever happens this season, we need a bit of a shakeup; players in and out, and find some square pegs for the square holes. One thing I am certain on though, is that if you want a manager to fight for you in a position such as ours, it's Tony Pulis. Personally, I have to trust him to do the best he can, because if he can't keep us up, there aren't any realistic potential managers that could have done a better job. We just have to sing loud and proud, not give up and believe. Not to mention cross as many fingers as possible.
When we play those teams we are on a relatively level footing with we should show more attacking intent, play a less defensive formation and a have less conservative game plan..trust the back four with only one def mid sitting in and not the 3 with the deep fwd dropping back in When we play Cardiff, Fulham, Sunderland, West Ham and Villa - which are conceiveably the games we might have a sniff in then play a 4-1-3-2 or a 4-1-3-1-1 Going down because of a rigid adherence to defend at all costs could be our undoing and that, against the weaker teams in this league would be such a shame
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| Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 10 Mar 14 3.57pm |
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To clarify, what I meant by toe-to-toe, is trying I face up to teams and play them at their own game and do it better than them. TP can't just flip a switch and come in on a Monday morning and say to the lads "right, it's 433 this week, lots of little triangles and Chamakh, you're now a false 9". TP has shown enough tactical nous that he has altered the team during a game to influence the result. I think the flaw in all of this, obviously, is the players. They seem scared to commit at times, and unwillingly to leave themselves exposed. You would expect that anyway, because no one wants to make a mistake, but how many times do you witness TP urging them to press a little bit more? Mentality seems to be the hindrance, not the tactics.
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| seeweedhater London 10 Mar 14 5.42pm |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 10 Mar 2014 3.57pm
To clarify, what I meant by toe-to-toe, is trying I face up to teams and play them at their own game and do it better than them. TP can't just flip a switch and come in on a Monday morning and say to the lads "right, it's 433 this week, lots of little triangles and Chamakh, you're now a false 9". TP has shown enough tactical nous that he has altered the team during a game to influence the result. I think the flaw in all of this, obviously, is the players. They seem scared to commit at times, and unwillingly to leave themselves exposed. You would expect that anyway, because no one wants to make a mistake, but how many times do you witness TP urging them to press a little bit more? Mentality seems to be the hindrance, not the tactics.[/
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| Recto London 10 Mar 14 5.55pm |
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I watched a documentary about jose mourinioh and he stated sometimes a team may be better than you but that doesn't mean they have beaten you this is the mentality that we must look to that we can beat anyone
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 10 Mar 14 5.59pm |
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Quote Leicestershireeagle at 10 Mar 2014 3.57pm
To clarify, what I meant by toe-to-toe, is trying I face up to teams and play them at their own game and do it better than them. TP can't just flip a switch and come in on a Monday morning and say to the lads "right, it's 433 this week, lots of little triangles and Chamakh, you're now a false 9". That's taking it too extremes but if he can flick a switch and expect Chamakh to drop deep into centre mid, play our right back at centre mid and play a centre mid at left back and all adapt perhaps he could just try to set the formation up slightly differently, that's not flicking a switch but simply adjusting how we play and also lay 5 yards higher up the pitch and get in teams faces nearer the half way line rather than trying to squeeze space on the edge of our pen area - the players will adapt and who's to say that this defensive 4-2-3-1 is getting the best out of our limitations - the players ability limits what we can do I totally agree but we have looked half decent when we have been more attacking - and Murray needs service not scraps if we are to survive and playing narrow and deep and hoofing to him as an option isn't going to work in this league
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| Leicestershireeagle South Leicestershire 10 Mar 14 6.20pm |
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Quote The Sash at 10 Mar 2014 5.59pm
Quote Leicestershireeagle at 10 Mar 2014 3.57pm
To clarify, what I meant by toe-to-toe, is trying I face up to teams and play them at their own game and do it better than them. TP can't just flip a switch and come in on a Monday morning and say to the lads "right, it's 433 this week, lots of little triangles and Chamakh, you're now a false 9". That's taking it too extremes but if he can flick a switch and expect Chamakh to drop deep into centre mid, play our right back at centre mid and play a centre mid at left back and all adapt perhaps he could just try to set the formation up slightly differently, that's not flicking a switch but simply adjusting how we play and also lay 5 yards higher up the pitch and get in teams faces nearer the half way line rather than trying to squeeze space on the edge of our pen area - the players will adapt and who's to say that this defensive 4-2-3-1 is getting the best out of our limitations - the players ability limits what we can do I totally agree but we have looked half decent when we have been more attacking - and Murray needs service not scraps if we are to survive and playing narrow and deep and hoofing to him as an option isn't going to work in this league
Players out of position is kind of different; I know it effects the end product of the team, but any manager has to make a decision on his XI with information and feedback that we are simply not privy too. I don't think we can have a gripe over team selection too much, because honestly I don't think it's been that far off. We seem to play more like a 4411, than a 4231. 4231 is one of, if not the, most popular formations in modern football. I would actually prefer to play this way, but at this level it's far more demanding. It's "safer" to play with the wingers less committed, along with the full backs, but it is what TP clearly feels is the most effective means of averaging enough points to stay up. A few of the recent performances have been lackluster and disappointing, but I wouldn't start pointing fingers too heavily at TP. I stand by what I said, TP has given us half a chance to stay up; anyone else and we'd probably already be relegated. There is literally no point in trying to play attractive football now for the sake of it (not that you're saying that, though some seem to imply that). We can't just go from a mid-table Championship who got promoted through self-confidence and belief, to a stable BPL team over night, or a season for that matter. We were not set up for that before the summer, and definitely not after the summer transfer window. The cards are dealt and we have to try our best. It's not going to be pretty, and TP has not been without faults for sure, but we are still in the mix and have seen enough, IMO, to suggest that we have a capable team who can also play good football at times. Trying to balance maintaining defensive stability and attacking penetration with our squad is a bloody nightmare. Wingers that can't cross, DMs that can't pass; I think either way we need a clear out in the summer, but until we know what league we will be playing in, I don't see the point in turning on a manager that is widely regarded as the best man for the job in hand.
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