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Palace_denizen Flag filed under " time wasters " 19 May 14 10.33am

is it 4-4-2 ?

4-5-1 ?

zonal marking , man marking ?

a different structure when we do or do not have possession ?

varies if we are winning , drawing or losing ?

sit back, defend and catch the other team on the break ? ie counter-attacking.

I know Stoke under Pulis had a big reputation for being boring, physical and very conservative. But seemingly there is more attacking pace in palace players and Pulis altered his 'system'.

There certainly seems to be a strong emphasis on working our socks off, closing them down and not giving the opposition any time on the ball. Lazy players and glory hunters need not apply. 'Pretty football' in the style of Arsenal or Barcelona seems certainly to be forbidden.

somebody who knows what they are talking about please explain. How the club with the lowest wage bill in the whole league did so well ?

What is 'the Pulis system' ?

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This is a difficult one. Most fans will be happy to see no football from their team if their team won things. There are some fans who prefer to watch more entertaining stuff, but they seem to be fewer. The secret seems to be is have an entertaining side that wins. But Mankcity almost came unstuck when faced by teams more concerned with restriction rather than playing. Chelsea too, with dire consequences. The old Leeds, under Revie were both nasty and successful. But they had big gates, so their fans didn't mind.
Pulis? I think success means more than style. And I'm happy with safety among the elite. Next year? and next year? Stoke's board are looking for more. Are they stupid?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 May 14 12.10pm

Pulis seems to be focused on the control of possession. Restricting the loss of possession in key areas, and containing opposition posession to areas where its safe. There is a safety first mentality, and generally the set up is 4-5-1 when defending, switching out to a 4-3-3 when in possession in the opposition half.

Typically attacking players, are a target man, and midfielder, with two wingers with pace who's job is to carry possession into the opposition channels, with the support of an overlapping wingback.

A defensive midfielder is utilised when attacking to provide cover the space left in our channels where the wingback is committed.

Each player has a specific set of instructions for defending and attack, and training is apparently much more intense off the field than usual - Discipline and knowing your role is essential. At set pieces man marking seems to be the norm.

When the opposition attacks, the midfield tends to force them out into the channels where the defensive midfielder will support the winger and the full back - the emphasis is slowing down the play, and forcing the possession back into safe areas, without over committing defenders into the challange.

Pre-match preperation seems to be important, with players being briefed on their 'opposition man' and responsibilities in dealing with them: I'd imagine that players are prepped in advance with DVDs of the likely players they'll be 'responsible' for to familiarise themselves with their strengths, weaknesses, tells and usual tactics.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 May 2014 12.10pm

Pulis seems to be focused on the control of possession. Restricting the loss of possession in key areas, and containing opposition posession to areas where its safe. There is a safety first mentality, and generally the set up is 4-5-1 when defending, switching out to a 4-3-3 when in possession in the opposition half

Typically attacking players, are a target man, and midfielder, with two wingers with pace who's job is to carry possession into the opposition channels, with the support of an overlapping wingback.

A defensive midfielder is utilised when attacking to provide cover the space left in our channels where the wingback is committed.

Each player has a specific set of instructions for defending and attack, and training is apparently much more intense off the field than usual - Discipline and knowing your role is essential. At set pieces man marking seems to be the norm.

When the opposition attacks, the midfield tends to force them out into the channels where the defensive midfielder will support the winger and the full back - the emphasis is slowing down the play, and forcing the possession back into safe areas, without over committing defenders into the challange.

Pre-match preperation seems to be important, with players being briefed on their 'opposition man' and responsibilities in dealing with them: I'd imagine that players are prepped in advance with DVDs of the likely players they'll be 'responsible' for to familiarise themselves with their strengths, weaknesses, tells and usual tactics.


"effective possession"

 

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View girvinator's Profile girvinator Flag Poole 19 May 14 4.03pm Send a Private Message to girvinator Add girvinator as a friend

4-5-1 with a two deep central midfielders and 1 advanced midfielder (the Chamakh role).

I'd say man marking for the most part.

As soon as we turn over possession use pace and the wide men and advance up the pitch as quickly as possible to get into the final third. Wingers are crucial to his football because without the ball they sit in front of the full backs created a back 6 essentially.

Off the ball, they press high towards the half way line and the front man will press the opposition back four from there, the two deep midfielders will be patience and press and look to intercept any loose pass.

That's my take on 'The Pulis System'

 

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Quote jpegnall at 19 May 2014 12.45pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 May 2014 12.10pm

Pulis seems to be focused on the control of possession. Restricting the loss of possession in key areas, and containing opposition posession to areas where its safe. There is a safety first mentality, and generally the set up is 4-5-1 when defending, switching out to a 4-3-3 when in possession in the opposition half

Typically attacking players, are a target man, and midfielder, with two wingers with pace who's job is to carry possession into the opposition channels, with the support of an overlapping wingback.

A defensive midfielder is utilised when attacking to provide cover the space left in our channels where the wingback is committed.

Each player has a specific set of instructions for defending and attack, and training is apparently much more intense off the field than usual - Discipline and knowing your role is essential. At set pieces man marking seems to be the norm.

When the opposition attacks, the midfield tends to force them out into the channels where the defensive midfielder will support the winger and the full back - the emphasis is slowing down the play, and forcing the possession back into safe areas, without over committing defenders into the challange.

Pre-match preperation seems to be important, with players being briefed on their 'opposition man' and responsibilities in dealing with them: I'd imagine that players are prepped in advance with DVDs of the likely players they'll be 'responsible' for to familiarise themselves with their strengths, weaknesses, tells and usual tactics.


"effective possession"


I agree with the 4-5-1 when defending but this 4-3-3 idea when in possession/attacking isn't how I see it. It's more 4-2-3-1 which is a quick shift or 4-1-4-1 which is obviously more attacking and natural if it's not KG next to Jedinak. Can also be 4-1-3-2 but that's only for brief periods of seconds or when a sub has been made.

I agree on forcing the opposition into safe areas. Chelsea were experts at this when Mourinho won the Prem 2 years running. Another thing which is so noticeable is players getting behind the ball immediately after losing possession. It's ingrained in them now and anyone not doing it feels TP's voice.

Defensive play is definitely more interesting under TP than any other manager. DF thought he was clever but it was really stick 6 men behind the ball and fret about letting a full back off the daisy chain. TP and Millen have done an excellent job to limit oppo chances.

 


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If you listen to TP himself he'll tell you that he doesn't have one system. Rather, he assesses his players and their strengths and then sets the team up around what's available. This is why the long-ball of Stoke has largely been absent at Palace. We have different players with different attributes and TP worked his magic to get the best out of them. If there is a TP system, this is it.

 


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ForeverSperoni Flag London Road Thornton Heath 19 May 14 6.03pm

Essentially to cut a long explanation short Pulis likes his team to control the tempo of the game with or without the ball. It frustrates teams into trying something that 9 times out of 10 wont work and we take full advantage of errors. See the Chelsea, Cardiff, West Brom, Hull games.

 

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Basically he likes his teams to do more goals than the other team.

 

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Palace_denizen Flag filed under " time wasters " 19 May 14 8.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 May 2014 12.10pm

generally the set up is 4-5-1 when defending, switching out to a 4-3-3 when in possession in the opposition half.


this is exactly what Peter Taylor tried, and it was a catastrophe.

 


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When we attack the full backs support the wingers making it a 2-2-4-2 and when we defend the wingers suport the full backs and Chamakh supports the midfield pairing making a 4-5-1.In a nutshell crowd the midfield and the flanks in defence with the wingers ready ro counter quickly. All really obvious but Ollie didn't spot it and DF was only some of the way there.

 


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