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derben 08 Jun 15 5.30pm
Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Taking into account the arms and other supplies from America in the early years of the war and their massive D-Day contribution I would say it is not definite that we would have won without them.
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

Churchill didn't think so:
“To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.”

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Taking into account the arms and other supplies from America in the early years of the war and their massive D-Day contribution I would say it is not definite that we would have won without them.

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ghosteagle 08 Jun 15 5.31pm
Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.30pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Taking into account the arms and other supplies from America in the early years of the war and their massive D-Day contribution I would say it is not definite that we would have won without them. Yes, and i agree entireley. But, without american intervention the Germans would still have lost the war.
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Taking into account the arms and other supplies from America in the early years of the war and their massive D-Day contribution I would say it is not definite that we would have won without them.

Yes, and i agree entireley. But, without american intervention the Germans would still have lost the war.

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on me shed son Krakow 08 Jun 15 5.42pm
Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.

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ghosteagle 08 Jun 15 5.58pm
Quote on me shed son at 08 Jun 2015 5.42pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe. Prehaps, but not the bone of contention.
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08 Jun 15 5.58pm

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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.

Prehaps, but not the bone of contention.

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derben 08 Jun 15 8.22pm
Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.58pm Quote on me shed son at 08 Jun 2015 5.42pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe. Prehaps, but not the bone of contention. You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA?
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.

Prehaps, but not the bone of contention.

You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA?

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legaleagle 08 Jun 15 8.51pm
Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat. I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis). For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease" What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing? Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input? Whether the UK would have retaken its possessions in Asia without the US bombing of Japan and drain on Japan's military capacity in the Pacific.Japan might even have invaded India and precipitated a nationalist uprising.
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Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat.

I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis).

For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease"

What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing?

Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input?

Whether the UK would have retaken its possessions in Asia without the US bombing of Japan and drain on Japan's military capacity in the Pacific.Japan might even have invaded India and precipitated a nationalist uprising.

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TUX redhill 08 Jun 15 8.55pm
Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 8.22pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.58pm Quote on me shed son at 08 Jun 2015 5.42pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.24pm Quote derben at 08 Jun 2015 5.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 08 Jun 2015 5.04pm Quote derben at 07 Jun 2015 10.12pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Jun 2015 9.01pm Quote Kermit8 at 07 Jun 2015 7.17pm It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews. It suits certain interests. This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective. Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different. Spot on Stirling. I certainly don't think the USA is perfect and think they made huge mistakes in Vietnam and Iraq. It is doubtful that we would have defeated Germany without them and if states like Russia or China had similar overwhelming power post WW2 we would be all living in God knows what sort of totalitarian nightmare. They are democratic and they try to bolster democratic and liberal values. Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat. Churchill didn't think so: “To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!…Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder.” ? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat. Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe. Prehaps, but not the bone of contention. You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA? Who drew Japan into the war?
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It's no coincidence that the US has been in some sort of conflict ever since WW2. There are other forces at work aswell as their Army, navy and air crews.

It suits certain interests.

This is the same for all superpowers throughout history. There needs to be a sense of perspective.

Be thankful this superpower is democratic......If it is overidden and a new one takes over...Which may be China....Let's just say your objections...If you're still around maybe somewhat different.

Dubious. While the War may have lasted longer and the Red Army would have swept through western Europe american assistance was not essential to a German defeat.

? Yes, Churchill was overjoyed with American intervention as it guaranteed the Brits a seat at the victors table. Still, their intervention was not essential to a German defeat.

Maybe not, but without them Nazi Europe would have just been exchanged for Soviet Europe.

Prehaps, but not the bone of contention.

You think we would have been able to cope with both Germany and Japan without the USA?

Who drew Japan into the war?

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legaleagle 08 Jun 15 8.58pm
USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for reaching agreement with the USA on limits to "numbers of naval ships" and a closer relationship with the USA,and later supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Edited by legaleagle (08 Jun 2015 9.15pm)
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USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for reaching agreement with the USA on limits to "numbers of naval ships" and a closer relationship with the USA,and later supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though.

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Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.
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USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though.

Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

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Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.51pm Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat. I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis). For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease" What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing? Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input? Whether the UK would have retaken its possessions in Asia without the US bombing of Japan and drain on Japan's military capacity in the Pacific.Japan might even have invaded India and precipitated a nationalist uprising. The US was vital to war effort of all the allies, even the Red Army and Russia. Whilst arguably the writing was on the wall for the Nazi's after the failure of Operation Barborossa to deliver a blitzkrieg, the war in the far east was far from won, and the split conflict between Japan and the US, and the UK and Japan required the US intervention to allow Commonwealth forces to re-equip and take hold. It debatable how far the UK could have got without the US in terms of 'liberating europe' certainly Normandy wasn't an option, but its likely that all of Germany, Holland, Belgium and most of France would have likely as not ended up in the Walsaw pact, with the UK probably managing to claim Italy, Norway and Scandinavia, part of France. Likely Spain would have been high on Stalins final list. With Europe under the soviet, the outcome of the cold war might very well have been entirely different. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Being open minded,I have to say on this aspect,I'm more with derben,though I think the role of the USSR was the most crucial element in Hitler's defeat.

I think the US was pretty crucial to a UK victory over both the Nazis and Japan (as opposed to after many many years a Soviet victory over the Nazis).

For example,1940-December 1941,not quite sure where we might have been in the battle of the Atlantic without "lend lease"

What might have happened without the USAF daytime bombing augmenting the RAF's far less risky night time bombing?

Whether D day would ever have happened/succeeded without the US input?

The US was vital to war effort of all the allies, even the Red Army and Russia. Whilst arguably the writing was on the wall for the Nazi's after the failure of Operation Barborossa to deliver a blitzkrieg, the war in the far east was far from won, and the split conflict between Japan and the US, and the UK and Japan required the US intervention to allow Commonwealth forces to re-equip and take hold.

It debatable how far the UK could have got without the US in terms of 'liberating europe' certainly Normandy wasn't an option, but its likely that all of Germany, Holland, Belgium and most of France would have likely as not ended up in the Walsaw pact, with the UK probably managing to claim Italy, Norway and Scandinavia, part of France.

Likely Spain would have been high on Stalins final list. With Europe under the soviet, the outcome of the cold war might very well have been entirely different.

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Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony.
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Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China.

Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony.

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