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matt_himself Matataland 10 Mar 15 12.59pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.34pm Quote matt_himself at 10 Mar 2015 12.13pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 7.52am Quote matt_himself at 10 Mar 2015 7.36am Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 7.14am Quote matt_himself at 10 Mar 2015 6.58am Quote nickgusset at 02 Feb 2015 11.28pm What is depressing is teaching and edumacation being used as a political football. Hypocrite. Both left and right, yourself too as 'Divisional Union Secretary' or whatever self important tag you give yourself, use education as political football. Your posts on here reek of it and are ideologically driven. So I'm being accused of having an ideology. I call it opinion and conviction. Once again, you are not debating about the subject, but the poster. Good work. And once again you are missing the point. You condemn the Tories for supposedly using education as an ideological football when you yourself do the same. I am pointing this out from your previous post. Hypocrite. No I am defending my fellow teachers and parents from the marketisation of education. Your 'facts' are spurious and your motives dubious. I don't believe that you have anyone's interests in mind other than teachers, by which you are trying to secure higher pay, Lower workloads, gold plated pensions and a culture where teachers aren't questionned at all about their working practices or whether they are any good. You hide this behind a nonsensical political ideology. That's what's coming across. Bulls*** No it's not. That's what's coming across. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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What is depressing is teaching and edumacation being used as a political football.

Hypocrite.

Both left and right, yourself too as 'Divisional Union Secretary' or whatever self important tag you give yourself, use education as political football.

Your posts on here reek of it and are ideologically driven.

So I'm being accused of having an ideology. I call it opinion and conviction.
Once again, you are not debating about the subject, but the poster. Good work.

And once again you are missing the point.

You condemn the Tories for supposedly using education as an ideological football when you yourself do the same.

I am pointing this out from your previous post.

Hypocrite.

No I am defending my fellow teachers and parents from the marketisation of education.

Your 'facts' are spurious and your motives dubious.

I don't believe that you have anyone's interests in mind other than teachers, by which you are trying to secure higher pay, Lower workloads, gold plated pensions and a culture where teachers aren't questionned at all about their working practices or whether they are any good.

You hide this behind a nonsensical political ideology.

That's what's coming across.

Bulls***

No it's not. That's what's coming across.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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NickinOX Sailing country. 10 Mar 15 1.06pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm [Link] This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit. I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again. But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly.... Which of the facts in the article are wrong? Are any articles unbiased? Using that logic this must be just as valid. It even uses evidence rather than mostly citing other blog posts written by the same person. [Link] I would like to see how free schools do in comparison to non-free schools when the next set of results come out (later this year I think); whether they have a demographic advantage (currently the evidence seems to says no, but there is only a limited sample size); and whether they have been set up in areas of need (again the evidence is too limited to draw full conclusions, but suggests they have been). Once more data is available I think it will be reasonable to judge. On the other side, I would like to see actual evidence that having a teacher training certificate makes someone a better teacher, and whether comprehensive schools actually did better for their pupils' education than the old system of grammar and technical schooling. Which at least let students excel in an area of aptitude rather than trying to pretend they were all essentially the same. Something that is patently silly. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit.

I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again.

But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly....

Which of the facts in the article are wrong?

Are any articles unbiased?

Using that logic this must be just as valid. It even uses evidence rather than mostly citing other blog posts written by the same person.

[Link]

I would like to see how free schools do in comparison to non-free schools when the next set of results come out (later this year I think); whether they have a demographic advantage (currently the evidence seems to says no, but there is only a limited sample size); and whether they have been set up in areas of need (again the evidence is too limited to draw full conclusions, but suggests they have been). Once more data is available I think it will be reasonable to judge.

On the other side, I would like to see actual evidence that having a teacher training certificate makes someone a better teacher, and whether comprehensive schools actually did better for their pupils' education than the old system of grammar and technical schooling. Which at least let students excel in an area of aptitude rather than trying to pretend they were all essentially the same. Something that is patently silly.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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Lyons550 Shirley 10 Mar 15 1.18pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
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Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

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Stuk Top half 10 Mar 15 1.28pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm [Link] This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit. I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again. But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly.... Which of the facts in the article are wrong? Are any articles unbiased? It's not an article, it's a blog (with an angle). I couldn't tell you anything about it what is right or wrong with it because i'm not reading it. Find a credible news source and yes, unbiased ones do exist. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 10 Mar 15 1.28pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm

[Link]

This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit.

I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again.

But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly....

Which of the facts in the article are wrong?

Are any articles unbiased?

It's not an article, it's a blog (with an angle). I couldn't tell you anything about it what is right or wrong with it because i'm not reading it.

Find a credible news source and yes, unbiased ones do exist.

Optimistic as ever

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Mar 15 1.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 09 Mar 2015 11.44pm [Link] £1billion worth of public assets transferred to private hands. No wonder Morgan and Hunt are pushing them through. That was really old news Nick and has been recycled many times since! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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£1billion worth of public assets transferred to private hands.
No wonder Morgan and Hunt are pushing them through.

That was really old news Nick and has been recycled many times since!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Mar 15 1.56pm
Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks. In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary??? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Mar 15 1.56pm

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Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks.
In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary???

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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npn Crowborough 10 Mar 15 2.16pm
Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks. In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary??? I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave. I've only had experience since my eldest started primary, so 4 years, and, despite being in a small local primary, I can think, off the top of my head (and only teachers I know of) of three long term 'stress related' sickies, including the head teacher, and one of the three has been off for two long term periods. I'm not sure whether that's typical of teaching and/or the public sector (having never worked in either).
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Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks.
In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary???

I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave.

I've only had experience since my eldest started primary, so 4 years, and, despite being in a small local primary, I can think, off the top of my head (and only teachers I know of) of three long term 'stress related' sickies, including the head teacher, and one of the three has been off for two long term periods. I'm not sure whether that's typical of teaching and/or the public sector (having never worked in either).

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Stuk Top half 10 Mar 15 2.49pm
Quote npn at 10 Mar 2015 2.16pm Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks. In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary??? I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave. I've only had experience since my eldest started primary, so 4 years, and, despite being in a small local primary, I can think, off the top of my head (and only teachers I know of) of three long term 'stress related' sickies, including the head teacher, and one of the three has been off for two long term periods. I'm not sure whether that's typical of teaching and/or the public sector (having never worked in either). My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress". It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash. Optimistic as ever
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Quote npn at 10 Mar 2015 2.16pm

Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm

Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave.

My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress".

It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash.

Optimistic as ever

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Lyons550 Shirley 10 Mar 15 4.12pm
Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 2.49pm Quote npn at 10 Mar 2015 2.16pm Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks. In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary??? I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave. I've only had experience since my eldest started primary, so 4 years, and, despite being in a small local primary, I can think, off the top of my head (and only teachers I know of) of three long term 'stress related' sickies, including the head teacher, and one of the three has been off for two long term periods. I'm not sure whether that's typical of teaching and/or the public sector (having never worked in either). My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress". It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash. As someone that works in the public sector myself (having previously worked in the private sector for 20 odd years) its simply full of people that have simply idled their way through life without fear of losing their jobs, major change or both. Now that its becoming more of a reality unless they change their ways the number of stress related absences is increasing that's for sure. Having said that there are plenty of good people that remain; its just that whenever the pressure is on its the weakest that fall first...its the natural order of things I guess. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 10 Mar 15 4.12pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 2.49pm

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Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave.

My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress".

It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash.

As someone that works in the public sector myself (having previously worked in the private sector for 20 odd years) its simply full of people that have simply idled their way through life without fear of losing their jobs, major change or both. Now that its becoming more of a reality unless they change their ways the number of stress related absences is increasing that's for sure. Having said that there are plenty of good people that remain; its just that whenever the pressure is on its the weakest that fall first...its the natural order of things I guess.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Mar 15 5.40pm
Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 2.49pm Quote npn at 10 Mar 2015 2.16pm Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them. [Link] Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers? Since the teachers have been "tested" for want of a better word on their personal abilities at teaching, many have gone sick with stress after getting bad marks. In my daughters school where she is a teacher one third have gone sick with stress and wont get back to work leaving the other teachers to carry on regardless. This would prove a point to me that some teachers are not up to doing their jobs which again proves to me that all kids don't have a good chance as some of the others......perhaps that is why some kids don't know their tables when they leave primary??? I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave. I've only had experience since my eldest started primary, so 4 years, and, despite being in a small local primary, I can think, off the top of my head (and only teachers I know of) of three long term 'stress related' sickies, including the head teacher, and one of the three has been off for two long term periods. I'm not sure whether that's typical of teaching and/or the public sector (having never worked in either). My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress". It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash. And they get away with it.....WITH union backing as well.......Makes you laugh..... or cry depending on what side of the fence you are on!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Mar 15 5.40pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 2.49pm

Quote npn at 10 Mar 2015 2.16pm

Quote susmik at 10 Mar 2015 1.56pm

Quote Lyons550 at 10 Mar 2015 1.18pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Surely that depends on the quality of the teachers?

I'm stunned at how many teachers go on long-term sick leave.

My cousin was a train driver and went long term sick with "stress".

It's the public sector worker's equivalent of whiplash.

And they get away with it.....WITH union backing as well.......Makes you laugh..... or cry depending on what side of the fence you are on!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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legaleagle 10 Mar 15 8.29pm
Quote NickinOX at 10 Mar 2015 1.06pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm [Link] This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit. I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again. But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly.... Which of the facts in the article are wrong? Are any articles unbiased? Using that logic this must be just as valid. It even uses evidence rather than mostly citing other blog posts written by the same person. [Link] I would like to see how free schools do in comparison to non-free schools when the next set of results come out (later this year I think); whether they have a demographic advantage (currently the evidence seems to says no, but there is only a limited sample size); and whether they have been set up in areas of need (again the evidence is too limited to draw full conclusions, but suggests they have been). Once more data is available I think it will be reasonable to judge. On the other side, I would like to see actual evidence that having a teacher training certificate makes someone a better teacher, and whether comprehensive schools actually did better for their pupils' education than the old system of grammar and technical schooling. Which at least let students excel in an area of aptitude rather than trying to pretend they were all essentially the same. Something that is patently silly. It would also be interesting if levels of funding available to the schools are factored in.It has been suggested that free schools receive a disproportionate amount of government funding. The government allocated £1.7bn of capital funding for free schools up to 2014-15, a third of the total £5.3bn allocated for creating new school places in England as a whole over the relevant spending review period.
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm

[Link]

This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit.

I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again.

But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly....

Which of the facts in the article are wrong?

Are any articles unbiased?

Using that logic this must be just as valid. It even uses evidence rather than mostly citing other blog posts written by the same person.

[Link]

It would also be interesting if levels of funding available to the schools are factored in.It has been suggested that free schools receive a disproportionate amount of government funding. The government allocated £1.7bn of capital funding for free schools up to 2014-15, a third of the total £5.3bn allocated for creating new school places in England as a whole over the relevant spending review period.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Mar 15 9.09pm
Quote NickinOX at 10 Mar 2015 1.06pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm [Link] This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit. I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again. But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly.... Which of the facts in the article are wrong? Are any articles unbiased? Using that logic this must be just as valid. It even uses evidence rather than mostly citing other blog posts written by the same person. [Link] I would like to see how free schools do in comparison to non-free schools when the next set of results come out (later this year I think); whether they have a demographic advantage (currently the evidence seems to says no, but there is only a limited sample size); and whether they have been set up in areas of need (again the evidence is too limited to draw full conclusions, but suggests they have been). Once more data is available I think it will be reasonable to judge. On the other side, I would like to see actual evidence that having a teacher training certificate makes someone a better teacher, and whether comprehensive schools actually did better for their pupils' education than the old system of grammar and technical schooling. Which at least let students excel in an area of aptitude rather than trying to pretend they were all essentially the same. Something that is patently silly. According to this [Link] the policy exchange (Tory funded, founded by Gove) research on free schools is seriously flawed. Edited by nickgusset (10 Mar 2015 9.14pm)
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Quote NickinOX at 10 Mar 2015 1.06pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.49pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Mar 2015 12.39pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Mar 2015 12.35pm

[Link]

This details transference of property and the money academy chains are making through selling off 'excess' land for profit.

I said "credible" and "unbiased". Try again.

But even the link says August 2012, so it's steam rolling ahead clearly....

Which of the facts in the article are wrong?

Are any articles unbiased?