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Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.21am ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam. IS aren't muslims, they're sectarian nationalists who use Islam as a means to an end. The Koran is pretty clear that killing innocents is unacceptable, especially when their muslims. The whole Apostasy thing is a convenience (and IS is the apostacsy). IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam.

IS aren't muslims, they're sectarian nationalists who use Islam as a means to an end. The Koran is pretty clear that killing innocents is unacceptable, especially when their muslims. The whole Apostasy thing is a convenience (and IS is the apostacsy).

IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Mar 2015 9.25am Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.21am ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam. IS aren't muslims, they're sectarian nationalists who use Islam as a means to an end. The Koran is pretty clear that killing innocents is unacceptable, especially when their muslims. The whole Apostasy thing is a convenience (and IS is the apostacsy). IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam. It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous. It clearly does as they take their inspiration from the Koran, distorted or otherwise. Apostasy is another thing entirely as many Muslim countries imprison and execute people for this supposed crime. As such its clearly not just an IS 'convenience' My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam.

IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam.

It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous.

It clearly does as they take their inspiration from the Koran, distorted or otherwise. Apostasy is another thing entirely as many Muslim countries imprison and execute people for this supposed crime. As such its clearly not just an IS 'convenience'

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Mar 15 10.06am
Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.36am Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Mar 2015 9.25am Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.21am ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam. IS aren't muslims, they're sectarian nationalists who use Islam as a means to an end. The Koran is pretty clear that killing innocents is unacceptable, especially when their muslims. The whole Apostasy thing is a convenience (and IS is the apostacsy). IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam. It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous. It clearly does as they take their inspiration from the Koran, distorted or otherwise. Apostasy is another thing entirely as many Muslim countries imprison and execute people for this supposed crime. As such its clearly not just an IS 'convenience' IS is as much about Islam as the UVF and Provisional IRA are about Christianity. They're shrouds of convenience to justify their political ambitions, and to create a sectarian divide which allows them to recruit. Its really all secular politics under a flag of religion, similar to how far right groups co-opt the idea of nationalism in the UK, ultimately its about creating a form of vanguard. The action of that vanguard is to polarize society in such a way as to marginalize moderates, and cause a backlash (against Islam) that ultimately ends up validating their cause within that increasingly isolated group. Is Islam as popularism. Its very similar to how the Christian Right in the US operates, it attacks issues then claims to be victimized, resulting in a polarization between Athiesm and Christains, whilst drawing Christians into alliance that might otherwise have more in common with athiests. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam.

IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam.

It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous.

IS is as much about Islam as the UVF and Provisional IRA are about Christianity. They're shrouds of convenience to justify their political ambitions, and to create a sectarian divide which allows them to recruit.

Its really all secular politics under a flag of religion, similar to how far right groups co-opt the idea of nationalism in the UK, ultimately its about creating a form of vanguard. The action of that vanguard is to polarize society in such a way as to marginalize moderates, and cause a backlash (against Islam) that ultimately ends up validating their cause within that increasingly isolated group.

Is Islam as popularism. Its very similar to how the Christian Right in the US operates, it attacks issues then claims to be victimized, resulting in a polarization between Athiesm and Christains, whilst drawing Christians into alliance that might otherwise have more in common with athiests.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Ouzo Dan 06 Mar 15 10.06am
The Islamist nut nuts are the ones that take the Qur'an in its most literal form, there is no point trying to side step the issue. The greater issue is how many Muslims are prepared to turn a blind eye to the 15 to 20% fanatical minority. Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time
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The Islamist nut nuts are the ones that take the Qur'an in its most literal form, there is no point trying to side step the issue.

The greater issue is how many Muslims are prepared to turn a blind eye to the 15 to 20% fanatical minority.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Mar 15 10.08am
Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.36am Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Mar 2015 9.25am Quote reborn at 06 Mar 2015 9.21am ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam. IS aren't muslims, they're sectarian nationalists who use Islam as a means to an end. The Koran is pretty clear that killing innocents is unacceptable, especially when their muslims. The whole Apostasy thing is a convenience (and IS is the apostacsy). IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam. It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous. It clearly does as they take their inspiration from the Koran, distorted or otherwise. Apostasy is another thing entirely as many Muslim countries imprison and execute people for this supposed crime. As such its clearly not just an IS 'convenience' Yes, but those countries that do, are also operating on it as a convenient basis of 'apostasy', they're typically hyprocritical, in that their own actions as a state typically contravene the Koran's when its inconvenient. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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ISIS actually hate everyone. They would if they could kill 100% of Christians and ever Muslim that doesn't adhere to their insane interpretation of Islam.

IS is about power, control and domination. It has nothing to do with Islam.

It may not be an accurate representation Jamie, but to say it has nothing to do with it is erroneous.

Yes, but those countries that do, are also operating on it as a convenient basis of 'apostasy', they're typically hyprocritical, in that their own actions as a state typically contravene the Koran's when its inconvenient.

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Mar 15 10.37am
Quote ParchmoreEagle at 06 Mar 2015 8.42am Quote Kermit8 at 06 Mar 2015 8.17am 1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others. So if the other 99% are not engaged in nor sympathise with extreme religious violence then I suppose it is fair to say it can be classed as very peaceful overall - unlike plenty of politicians - and made up of people just like you and me more concerned with friends, food, sport and tv than Sharia. according to Wiki: As of 2014, over 2.08 billion or about 28.26% of the world population are Muslims. You obviously didn't watch the first link. 15 -25% of those are radical muslims: That's 400 million radicals devoted to destroying western society. Watch the video mate - it's informative - it will help you improve morally and mathematically. I fear you are being influenced by islamophobia. If there really were 400million hell bent on destroying The West I think we'd have had a few more bombs and such by now, don't you? Either that or they are really rubbish at it. A few hundred IRA did much more damage than the IVF (Islamic Volunteer Force) have done. Also, you are probably 500 times more likely to be killed by a Muslim if you are also a Muslim. I don't need to change my pants just yet but there are one or two on this messageboard who seem to sh1t themselves at the mere mention of the 'm' word. I won't be losing any sleep over Allah. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Mar 2015 10.38am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others.

So if the other 99% are not engaged in nor sympathise with extreme religious violence then I suppose it is fair to say it can be classed as very peaceful overall - unlike plenty of politicians - and made up of people just like you and me more concerned with friends, food, sport and tv than Sharia.

according to Wiki:
As of 2014, over 2.08 billion or about 28.26% of the world population are Muslims. You obviously didn't watch the first link. 15 -25% of those are radical muslims: That's 400 million radicals devoted to destroying western society. Watch the video mate - it's informative - it will help you improve morally and mathematically.

I fear you are being influenced by islamophobia.

If there really were 400million hell bent on destroying The West I think we'd have had a few more bombs and such by now, don't you? Either that or they are really rubbish at it.

A few hundred IRA did much more damage than the IVF (Islamic Volunteer Force) have done.

Also, you are probably 500 times more likely to be killed by a Muslim if you are also a Muslim. I don't need to change my pants just yet but there are one or two on this messageboard who seem to sh1t themselves at the mere mention of the 'm' word.

I won't be losing any sleep over Allah.

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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 15 11.00am
I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq. That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering! To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems. Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others? I am enlightened enough thank you.
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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 15 11.00am

I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq.

That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering!

To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems.

Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others?

I am enlightened enough thank you.

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silvertop Portishead 06 Mar 15 11.02am
Quote ParchmoreEagle at 06 Mar 2015 8.42am Quote Kermit8 at 06 Mar 2015 8.17am 1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others. So if the other 99% are not engaged in nor sympathise with extreme religious violence then I suppose it is fair to say it can be classed as very peaceful overall - unlike plenty of politicians - and made up of people just like you and me more concerned with friends, food, sport and tv than Sharia. according to Wiki: As of 2014, over 2.08 billion or about 28.26% of the world population are Muslims. You obviously didn't watch the first link. 15 -25% of those are radical muslims: That's 400 million radicals devoted to destroying western society. Watch the video mate - it's informative - it will help you improve morally and mathematically. Ah, the beauty of the word. Some Jews are orthodox and thus good; some Christians are evangelical and also good; but those who adhere to a stricter interpretation of Islam are radical and thus bad.
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Quote ParchmoreEagle at 06 Mar 2015 8.42am

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Mar 2015 8.17am

1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others.

according to Wiki:
As of 2014, over 2.08 billion or about 28.26% of the world population are Muslims. You obviously didn't watch the first link. 15 -25% of those are radical muslims: That's 400 million radicals devoted to destroying western society. Watch the video mate - it's informative - it will help you improve morally and mathematically.

Ah, the beauty of the word. Some Jews are orthodox and thus good; some Christians are evangelical and also good; but those who adhere to a stricter interpretation of Islam are radical and thus bad.

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silvertop Portishead 06 Mar 15 11.04am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq. That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering! To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems. Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others? I am enlightened enough thank you. I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am

I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq.

That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering!

To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems.

Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others?

I am enlightened enough thank you.

I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money.

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reborn 06 Mar 15 11.24am
Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.02am Quote ParchmoreEagle at 06 Mar 2015 8.42am Quote Kermit8 at 06 Mar 2015 8.17am 1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others. So if the other 99% are not engaged in nor sympathise with extreme religious violence then I suppose it is fair to say it can be classed as very peaceful overall - unlike plenty of politicians - and made up of people just like you and me more concerned with friends, food, sport and tv than Sharia. according to Wiki: As of 2014, over 2.08 billion or about 28.26% of the world population are Muslims. You obviously didn't watch the first link. 15 -25% of those are radical muslims: That's 400 million radicals devoted to destroying western society. Watch the video mate - it's informative - it will help you improve morally and mathematically. Ah, the beauty of the word. Some Jews are orthodox and thus good; some Christians are evangelical and also good; but those who adhere to a stricter interpretation of Islam are radical and thus bad. Adhere to any interpretation you like, fine by me, as long as it doesn't mean that you want to kill and harm people who don't believe the same as you. Therein lies the key I think. My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.02am

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 06 Mar 2015 8.42am

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Mar 2015 8.17am

1,200 million Muslims in the world. A few million are sect-based jihadi nutters and nothing like the others.

Adhere to any interpretation you like, fine by me, as long as it doesn't mean that you want to kill and harm people who don't believe the same as you.

Therein lies the key I think.

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 15 11.35am
Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.04am Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq. That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering! To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems. Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others? I am enlightened enough thank you. I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money. BBC News on Radio 4 this morning said they were bulldozing a historic town with 13th century architecture.
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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 15 11.35am

Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.04am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am

I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq.

That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering!

To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems.

Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others?

I am enlightened enough thank you.

I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money.

BBC News on Radio 4 this morning said they were bulldozing a historic town with 13th century architecture.

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silvertop Portishead 06 Mar 15 11.38am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.35am Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.04am Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq. That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering! To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems. Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others? I am enlightened enough thank you. I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money. BBC News on Radio 4 this morning said they were bulldozing a historic town with 13th century architecture. Ah, nothing portable to sell.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.35am

Quote silvertop at 06 Mar 2015 11.04am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Mar 2015 11.00am

I heard this morning that ISIS are now destroying ancient art thousands of years old as they capture more land in Iraq.

That might be their undoing as people care more about artefacts than human suffering!

To the OP though, I agree with others who rightly state that pitting one religion against another is the cause of the world's problems.

Why do all you religious zealots insist on thrusting your beliefs on others?

I am enlightened enough thank you.

I doubt it. There is a roaring trade of smuggling said artefacts across the Turkish boarder. They need the money.

BBC News on Radio 4 this morning said they were bulldozing a historic town with 13th century architecture.

Ah, nothing portable to sell.

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