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Quote dannyh at 16 Mar 2015 1.59pm
In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Mar 2015 2.05pm
Quote dannyh at 16 Mar 2015 1.59pm
In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ?
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| reborn 17 Mar 15 9.24am |
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Quote dannyh at 17 Mar 2015 9.14am
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Quote dannyh at 16 Mar 2015 1.59pm
In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? Hmmm, actually Dan, in the bible it refers to 7 days right? Well the actual word in Greek means 'period of time'. So you have those who literally think the world is 7 days old, or those like me who believe that in fact it is millions if not billions. Next?
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EaglesEaglesEagles  17 Mar 15 9.39am |
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Quote dannyh at 17 Mar 2015 9.14am
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Quote dannyh at 16 Mar 2015 1.59pm
In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. 3) I know that the insightful wisdom you clearly possess coupled with a delightful cynicism is unique, but Christians have heard it all before. I don't know why you're so self-centred to highlight talking snakes etc., but your points are neither original nor of any interest to anyone else. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something.
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| EaglesEaglesEagles 17 Mar 15 9.40am |
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You are tired and boring. Edited by EaglesEaglesEagles (17 Mar 2015 9.42am)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 17 Mar 15 11.01am |
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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 17 Mar 2015 9.39am
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Quote dannyh at 16 Mar 2015 1.59pm
In fairness, even most of the writers of that era wouldn't really have expected people to take stories at face value. Classical literature of the time (and before) very much uses the concept of fables, parables and metaphor as key elements. No one would read Ovid's Metamorphosis and think 'ah right, that's literal'. Similarly, Rabbi's don't generally refer to the Torrah (and the old testament books) as being literal events. Although there is a lot of evidence to support the idea of a few 'great floods', the ark isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a metaphor. The film is much better than the book.
pah ! Christianity in it's wisdom says the world is only 6000 years old. We all know the earth is billions of years old, Thats the book of genesis kicked into touch without even breaking sweat, and thats the basis of the entire bible. Oh yeah did I mention a talking snake ? 1) The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not see the Bible as the literal word of God. Although many think it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, it is likely to have heaps of factual imperfections because human knowledge (especially then, was limited). That is emphasised in opposition to God's infinite wisdom. Human Knowledge was limited ? can you explain the pyramids for me again then. And if God if so wise why are thousands of children dying of hunger and starvation as we speak, doesn't seem very wise to me. 2) Much of the Bible's language is allegorical. The point of the talking snake and events in the first part of Genesis is to detail the relationship of good and ever and man's relationship to God. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant. The seven days thing is simple creation myth language. It's interesting that you say whether it happened or not is irrelevant, so as a christian (clearly) you are saying the story of creation as written in the king James bible is irrelavant. It's only irrelavant because even you in your Jesus is great slanted look at life know that it is simply bollocks. The Earth has stood for billions of years it wasn't made in 7 days by the big sky fairy, and Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth, Try reading a factual book on Darwinism.
It is not isightful wisdom it is fact. Pure cold scientific FACT. My Cynicism is far from unique, before you have me burnt at the stake (another enligtened Christian pass time) why dont you google Atheist at see how many there are out there. Christians do not care in the slightest what your position is because you do not have the faculties to present tricky problematic doctrinal and theological problems for Christianity but point out logical flaws that a moron (you maybe?) could recognise. I could go to great length in theoligical debate with you as I was brought up a catholic and went to a catholic school, but people like you dont listen to reasoned debate, your like the women out of the film paul, who when confronted with an Alien, sank to her knees and receited Amazing grace! I would also argue that if I a "moron" can point out such open and easily discreditable bible tosh then what does it say about those that belive it (you?)
Oh so because you believe in some omni present Sky Fairy that makes you brighter than me, Listen mate I don't care what you believe but you have no more proof to your belief system than I could provide to show aliens exist. Different people believe differen things, I chose not to belive in wholsale religion because then I don't have to aleinate other just becuase they believe in a different type of fairy at the bottom of the garden than I do. 4) Join the national secular society. Funnily enough you might learn something. About the NSS We work in the UK and Europe to challenge the disproportionate influence of religion on governments and in public life. We provide a secular voice in the media, defending freedom and equality as a counterbalance to the powerful religious lobby and some of the more destructive religious impulses that can threaten human rights worldwide. You know I just might.
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 Mar 15 11.06am |
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kiwi jailed for two and a half years in Burma yesterday for drawing Buddha wearing headphones on a flyer for his club. I am now officially Buddhismophobic and urge everyone to keep an eye on any very calm neighbours they may have.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 17 Mar 15 11.07am |
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Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 17 Mar 2015 9.40am
You are tired and boring. Edited by EaglesEaglesEagles (17 Mar 2015 9.42am)
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| reborn 17 Mar 15 1.37pm |
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Question Dan, there's more than enough food in the world for everyone to get fed and no-one die of hunger. The reason they do is the selfishness of man. Why is that God's fault?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Mar 15 2.36pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Mar 2015 11.06am
kiwi jailed for two and a half years in Burma yesterday for drawing Buddha wearing headphones on a flyer for his club. I am now officially Buddhismophobic and urge everyone to keep an eye on any very calm neighbours they may have. Burma, a hot bed of humanism and Buddhist liberalism.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Mar 15 2.41pm |
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Quote reborn at 17 Mar 2015 1.37pm
Question Dan, there's more than enough food in the world for everyone to get fed and no-one die of hunger. The reason they do is the selfishness of man. Why is that God's fault? Although god created man in his image and created man - the argument would be, if God created man, then surely he's responsible for design flaws inherent in the system. If God is supposedly infaliable, omniscient and omnipotent - So god must be aware prior to the creation of man of that flaw and its consequences. Either god is responsible for actions set in motion by god, that he must, by definition of qualities, be aware of, or immoral. Or god is neither omniscient, infallible or omnipotent.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 17 Mar 15 2.43pm |
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Quote reborn at 17 Mar 2015 1.37pm
Question Dan, there's more than enough food in the world for everyone to get fed and no-one die of hunger. The reason they do is the selfishness of man. Why is that God's fault? No it is not. lets just suppose God is reall for minute, famine and drought have to be his (Gods) fault and if we are all made in his image and children are innocent why would he allow children to die of famine because of a lack of something as easy to conjure up as rain (considering he made the whole shabang in 7 days a little bit of rain shouldnt be too tricky.) Why does God in his all seeing all knowing capacity of Number 1 top dog, allow people to become so depressed they kill themselves, or peado's to rape and murder, etc etc. It's all well and good saying its the evil/selfishness of man but to me that is just deflective bulls*** from the real reason he does nothing, which is more than likley A) he doesn't give a fcuk (think on that one next time you watch a 1 month old baby die from ebola) or B) he doesnt exist. I would like to think it's the latter and no God could be that much of a unfeeling pri1ck. I'm not digging you out not at all, far from it. BUT you have to admit taking the above into account he certainly does move in mysterious f***ing ways alright.
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