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Hoof Hearted 23 Apr 15 4.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 12.27pm Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 11.19am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.18am Quote OknotOK at 23 Apr 2015 10.13am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.10am Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 6.40am Quote Jimenez at 23 Apr 2015 12.33am Quote nickgusset at 22 Apr 2015 10.21pm [Link] Police have written an open letter warning of the danger to public safety if the Tories get in. Straws Clutching at How so? Just like the open letter organised by the Labour supporting Doctor.... your letter from the Police smacks of the Police Federation's hatred of the Conservatives and their ongoing feud. The letters do seem rather politically expedient (and I think the Tory supporting business leaders letters probably had a similar reception). Plus I don't see why the Labour cuts - which will almost certainly be similarly stringent to the police service amongst others - would be any less damaging than Tory cuts? If Labour get in, Balls will fcuk up the economy in next to no time, so not only will the police be unable to function everything including their beloved NHS will be on it's uppers. Get real people, Labour brought this country to it's knees last time and yet many of you want them back? Madness. There was a global banking crisis. Whoever was in power at the time would've been deemed to have brought the country to its knees. Did Tory mp's vote against labour economic ideas when labour were in power? No? In fact they wanted deregulation to go further. Highlights of Osbornes record... 1. Total government debt up in absolute terms. They have borrowed more in five years than every Labour government in history - something over £517bn. (As a share of GDP they have claimed it has, just, fallen but as someone says - if memory serves - this is because they counted in the sale of Eurostar). 2. Deficit down, but they forecast £40bn for start of this year. It is more like £90bn. Instead of being gone by the end of this year, they have shifted the target to being gone by the end of the next parliament. 3. Average real wages down 2% on 2010 (IFS figure). Would be worse but falling oil price has brought inflation down, boosting real wages. Edited by nickgusset (23 Apr 2015 12.47pm) He didn't sell off this nation's gold reserves at a rock bottom price though or declare the end of boom and bust like one-eye Gordon did. Osborne has played a sh1t hand very well in the circumstances unlike Brown and Darling that had favourable economic conditions to start with but when the bad times came made some horrendous decisions like persuading Lloyds to merge with HBOS then bailing them out with our money when it transpired HBOS lendings were toxic.
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Hoof Hearted 23 Apr 15 4.27pm

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.10am

Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 6.40am

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Police have written an open letter warning of the danger to public safety if the Tories get in.

*Straws* *Clutching at*

How so?

Just like the open letter organised by the Labour supporting Doctor.... your letter from the Police smacks of the Police Federation's hatred of the Conservatives and their ongoing feud.

The letters do seem rather politically expedient (and I think the Tory supporting business leaders letters probably had a similar reception).

Plus I don't see why the Labour cuts - which will almost certainly be similarly stringent to the police service amongst others - would be any less damaging than Tory cuts?

If Labour get in, Balls will fcuk up the economy in next to no time, so not only will the police be unable to function everything including their beloved NHS will be on it's uppers.

Get real people, Labour brought this country to it's knees last time and yet many of you want them back?

Madness.

There was a global banking crisis. Whoever was in power at the time would've been deemed to have brought the country to its knees.

Did Tory mp's vote against labour economic ideas when labour were in power? No? In fact they wanted deregulation to go further.

Highlights of Osbornes record...

1. Total government debt up in absolute terms. They have borrowed more in five years than every Labour government in history - something over £517bn. (As a share of GDP they have claimed it has, just, fallen but as someone says - if memory serves - this is because they counted in the sale of Eurostar).

2. Deficit down, but they forecast £40bn for start of this year. It is more like £90bn. Instead of being gone by the end of this year, they have shifted the target to being gone by the end of the next parliament.

3. Average real wages down 2% on 2010 (IFS figure). Would be worse but falling oil price has brought inflation down, boosting real wages.

Edited by nickgusset (23 Apr 2015 12.47pm)

He didn't sell off this nation's gold reserves at a rock bottom price though or declare the end of boom and bust like one-eye Gordon did.

Osborne has played a sh1t hand very well in the circumstances unlike Brown and Darling that had favourable economic conditions to start with but when the bad times came made some horrendous decisions like persuading Lloyds to merge with HBOS then bailing them out with our money when it transpired HBOS lendings were toxic.

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ghosteagle 23 Apr 15 4.34pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 4.27pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 12.27pm Quote imbored at 23 Apr 2015 11.19am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.18am Quote OknotOK at 23 Apr 2015 10.13am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.10am Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 6.40am Quote Jimenez at 23 Apr 2015 12.33am Quote nickgusset at 22 Apr 2015 10.21pm [Link] Police have written an open letter warning of the danger to public safety if the Tories get in. Straws Clutching at How so? Just like the open letter organised by the Labour supporting Doctor.... your letter from the Police smacks of the Police Federation's hatred of the Conservatives and their ongoing feud. The letters do seem rather politically expedient (and I think the Tory supporting business leaders letters probably had a similar reception). Plus I don't see why the Labour cuts - which will almost certainly be similarly stringent to the police service amongst others - would be any less damaging than Tory cuts? If Labour get in, Balls will fcuk up the economy in next to no time, so not only will the police be unable to function everything including their beloved NHS will be on it's uppers. Get real people, Labour brought this country to it's knees last time and yet many of you want them back? Madness. There was a global banking crisis. Whoever was in power at the time would've been deemed to have brought the country to its knees. Did Tory mp's vote against labour economic ideas when labour were in power? No? In fact they wanted deregulation to go further. Highlights of Osbornes record... 1. Total government debt up in absolute terms. They have borrowed more in five years than every Labour government in history - something over £517bn. (As a share of GDP they have claimed it has, just, fallen but as someone says - if memory serves - this is because they counted in the sale of Eurostar). 2. Deficit down, but they forecast £40bn for start of this year. It is more like £90bn. Instead of being gone by the end of this year, they have shifted the target to being gone by the end of the next parliament. 3. Average real wages down 2% on 2010 (IFS figure). Would be worse but falling oil price has brought inflation down, boosting real wages. Edited by nickgusset (23 Apr 2015 12.47pm) He didn't sell off this nation's gold reserves at a rock bottom price though or declare the end of boom and bust like one-eye Gordon did. Osborne has played a sh1t hand very well in the circumstances unlike Brown and Darling that had favourable economic conditions to start with but when the bad times came made some horrendous decisions like persuading Lloyds to merge with HBOS then bailing them out with our money when it transpired HBOS lendings were toxic. The man has played his hand like the muppet he is. Austerity has failed. #FACT
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23 Apr 15 4.34pm

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Apr 2015 10.10am

Quote nickgusset at 23 Apr 2015 6.40am

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Quote nickgusset at 22 Apr 2015 10.21pm

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Police have written an open letter warning of the danger to public safety if the Tories get in.

*Straws* *Clutching at*

How so?

Just like the open letter organised by the Labour supporting Doctor.... your letter from the Police smacks of the Police Federation's hatred of the Conservatives and their ongoing feud.

The letters do seem rather politically expedient (and I think the Tory supporting business leaders letters probably had a similar reception).

Plus I don't see why the Labour cuts - which will almost certainly be similarly stringent to the police service amongst others - would be any less damaging than Tory cuts?

If Labour get in, Balls will fcuk up the economy in next to no time, so not only will the police be unable to function everything including their beloved NHS will be on it's uppers.

Get real people, Labour brought this country to it's knees last time and yet many of you want them back?

Madness.

There was a global banking crisis. Whoever was in power at the time would've been deemed to have brought the country to its knees.

Did Tory mp's vote against labour economic ideas when labour were in power? No? In fact they wanted deregulation to go further.

Highlights of Osbornes record...

3. Average real wages down 2% on 2010 (IFS figure). Would be worse but falling oil price has brought inflation down, boosting real wages.

Edited by nickgusset (23 Apr 2015 12.47pm)

He didn't sell off this nation's gold reserves at a rock bottom price though or declare the end of boom and bust like one-eye Gordon did.

Osborne has played a sh1t hand very well in the circumstances unlike Brown and Darling that had favourable economic conditions to start with but when the bad times came made some horrendous decisions like persuading Lloyds to merge with HBOS then bailing them out with our money when it transpired HBOS lendings were toxic.

The man has played his hand like the muppet he is. Austerity has failed. #FACT

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 15 12.28am
[Link] When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that.
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When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 25 Apr 15 8.34pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am [Link] When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that. Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing. Pro USA & Israel
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Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am

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When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that.

Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing.

Pro USA & Israel

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Apr 15 9.14pm
Quote Jimenez at 25 Apr 2015 8.34pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am [Link] When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that. Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing. Can't see anything to be negative about re:Nellist. Seems like a genuine conviction kinda guy. Bloomberg would have been earning more in interest in half a day than Nellist in one full year one dollar salary or not. The article explains his reasons very well. Hardly flakey were they? The man deserves a pat on the back not besmirching. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 Apr 15 9.14pm

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Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am

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When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that.

Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing.

Can't see anything to be negative about re:Nellist. Seems like a genuine conviction kinda guy. Bloomberg would have been earning more in interest in half a day than Nellist in one full year one dollar salary or not. The article explains his reasons very well. Hardly flakey were they?

The man deserves a pat on the back not besmirching.

Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 15 9.39pm
[Link] #dollgate the press are getting ridiculous.
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#dollgate the press are getting ridiculous.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 15 10.00pm
Quote Kermit8 at 25 Apr 2015 9.14pm Quote Jimenez at 25 Apr 2015 8.34pm Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am [Link] When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that. Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing. Can't see anything to be negative about re:Nellist. Seems like a genuine conviction kinda guy. Bloomberg would have been earning more in interest in half a day than Nellist in one full year one dollar salary or not. The article explains his reasons very well. Hardly flakey were they? The man deserves a pat on the back not besmirching. Might have posted this elsewhere Kerms, but a great interview with Dave Nellist. it's in 3 parts- here is part 1. [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 25 Apr 15 10.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Apr 2015 9.14pm

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Quote nickgusset at 25 Apr 2015 12.28am

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When Dave Nellist (TUSC leader) was a labour MP, he took a workers wage, which he will still do if elected - as will any other of their candidates. Don't see any other prospective mp's doing that.

Gesture politics of the worst kind, albeit well meaning. When NYC had Billionaire Michael Bloomberg as Mayor he paid himself a dollar a year It means nothing.

The man deserves a pat on the back not besmirching.

Might have posted this elsewhere Kerms, but a great interview with Dave Nellist. it's in 3 parts- here is part 1.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 26 Apr 15 1.42pm
Nellist was on 'World at One' last week. Martha Kearney skewered him on his plans to nationalise banks and private companies. "Won't that affect foreign invesment?" - "I'm not interested in the billionaires who got us into this mess in the first place." The guy's a complete dinosaur. Speaking of dinosaurs, Scargill piped up last week too! I thought he'd coughed years ago! ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 26 Apr 15 1.42pm

Nellist was on 'World at One' last week. Martha Kearney skewered him on his plans to nationalise banks and private companies. "Won't that affect foreign invesment?"

- "I'm not interested in the billionaires who got us into this mess in the first place."

The guy's a complete dinosaur.

Speaking of dinosaurs, Scargill piped up last week too! I thought he'd coughed years ago!

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Johnny Eagles berlin 26 Apr 15 1.48pm
Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring? You can understand them wanting to avoid gaffes like Gordon Brown and the microphone. But I can't think of a single interview or debate where it hasn't been anodyne guff. The only campaign with any credibility is the drearily centrist Lib Dem one. And why are the media fawning over Wee Jimmy Sturgeon?! They all bang on like she's a new Cicero! I fail to see what's so impressive about her? Strikes me as media groupthink: that's the narrative and wr're sticking with it. It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 26 Apr 15 1.48pm

Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring?

You can understand them wanting to avoid gaffes like Gordon Brown and the microphone. But I can't think of a single interview or debate where it hasn't been anodyne guff. The only campaign with any credibility is the drearily centrist Lib Dem one.

It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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serial thriller The Promised Land 26 Apr 15 3.32pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 Apr 2015 1.48pm Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring? You can understand them wanting to avoid gaffes like Gordon Brown and the microphone. But I can't think of a single interview or debate where it hasn't been anodyne guff. The only campaign with any credibility is the drearily centrist Lib Dem one. And why are the media fawning over Wee Jimmy Sturgeon?! They all bang on like she's a new Cicero! I fail to see what's so impressive about her? Strikes me as media groupthink: that's the narrative and wr're sticking with it. It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign. I have a theory about this. I think the Tory papers have realised that there's no real chance of Cameron walking in to government again. Unless he forms some ludicrous coalition with a load of nutters in Northern Ireland, the Lib Dems and UKIP, it's Milliabnd's to lose. Therefore what we're seeing is plan B. Make any minority Labour coalition totally untenable. The way they're doing this? Portray the SNP as a load of nutters intent on destroying Britain, make Sturgeon look powerful and Ed look weak, so that when the inevitable collaboration between the two occurs, any concessions Labour makes to the Scot Nats will make them look essentially powerless. Personally, as someone who takes very little stock in Westminster politics, watching the right collectively sh*tting themselves as they realise how badly their campaign is going is actually pretty funny. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 Apr 2015 1.48pm

Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring?

And why are the media fawning over Wee Jimmy Sturgeon?! They all bang on like she's a new Cicero! I fail to see what's so impressive about her? Strikes me as media groupthink: that's the narrative and wr're sticking with it.

It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign.

I have a theory about this. I think the Tory papers have realised that there's no real chance of Cameron walking in to government again. Unless he forms some ludicrous coalition with a load of nutters in Northern Ireland, the Lib Dems and UKIP, it's Milliabnd's to lose.

Therefore what we're seeing is plan B. Make any minority Labour coalition totally untenable. The way they're doing this? Portray the SNP as a load of nutters intent on destroying Britain, make Sturgeon look powerful and Ed look weak, so that when the inevitable collaboration between the two occurs, any concessions Labour makes to the Scot Nats will make them look essentially powerless.

Personally, as someone who takes very little stock in Westminster politics, watching the right collectively sh*tting themselves as they realise how badly their campaign is going is actually pretty funny.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Apr 15 3.57pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 Apr 2015 1.48pm Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring? You can understand them wanting to avoid gaffes like Gordon Brown and the microphone. But I can't think of a single interview or debate where it hasn't been anodyne guff. The only campaign with any credibility is the drearily centrist Lib Dem one. And why are the media fawning over Wee Jimmy Sturgeon?! They all bang on like she's a new Cicero! I fail to see what's so impressive about her? Strikes me as media groupthink: that's the narrative and wr're sticking with it. It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign. It doesn't help having a 6 week build up.
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 Apr 2015 1.48pm

Is anyone else finding the election completely boring and uninspiring?

It's ironic, because there are some big issues on the ballot - the EU, the union with Scotland, Trident - but it just seems such a dreary election campaign.

It doesn't help having a 6 week build up.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 26 Apr 15 9.06pm
[Link] Having said all that, I thought this was quite amusing ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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Having said all that, I thought this was quite amusing

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