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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 11.18am) And how is it going for them down in sunny South Africa since Apartheid was removed ? Have they all started living together in wonderful harmony ?
Edited by TheJudge (26 Apr 2015 1.20am)
Really ? I don't think we sustain it. Just the opposite. We resist natural leanings in the interests of commerce. Generally, people migrate to make money not to live with other races or nationalities. Sometimes they are escaping oppression from other religious groups or races. Hardly an obvious indication that a rainbow nation has ever or will ever work. People have tribal aspects to them of course but this manifests itself in various ways, largely cultural. What you grow up around and educate yourself about largely indicates what is 'foreign' to you. Whether that's race, disability, nationality. That's why your seeming approval of apartheid is wrong. It helps to sustain and give the stamp of approval to a myth. Race is important not because it is, but people people think it is. Clearly you do, I don't. It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour. This was gone from rough waters, or overboard as far as I'm concerned. As stated, there are very many ways that people do and don't differentiate. Sometimes it may be race, other times in some societies culturally race may not be so much of an issue, something else will be. I have plenty of friends of various races. You seem to keep implying that in doing so I am going against my nature. Nature has not 'divided' black and white people in any meaningful way, hence the many millions of mixed race children. To create an analogy comparing different races to "cats and dogs" suggests the distance you evidently view others, not the reality of the situation.
You've made your position quite clear. You inferred that getting rid of Apartheid, was resisting our natural leanings, so my comment stands. But of course you also said.. Quote Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
wildly overestimating how different race makes a person by using different species as examples, then directly suggesting that this difference 'must be reflected in human behaviour'. Clearly you think a person's race goes much further than skin deep.
The only thing that is clear is that you interpret everything I say in a way that suits your own agenda. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 11.23am) You don't much like people with arbitrary differences to yourself. Some others feel the same way. Yes, we get it. You inferred that race conveyed behavioural differences by nature, now you're not so sure. If it's nurture then my original comments that apartheid isn't a great idea are correct because people are exposed to closer life experiences. If you're sticking with nature, it's just a racist belief, to believe that races are so different in how they behave they should be kept apart.
Believing that race is such a differentiating factor it's a benefit to keep people apart based on it is a racist belief. Infering that different skin colour equals different behaviour based on biological factors is too. It's possible you've just made a pigs eye of trying to say something and it's come off badly, I can accept that.
Where has anyone said any of that ? I said it's obviously not a better idea to try to keep races apart as with apartheid. You disagreed. You went on to make comments which others are more than welcome to draw their own conclusions about - Quote It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
Also, you repeatedly point out what you believe to examples of races living together not working, then seem to ignore examples of the opposite, or explain them away. You fail to understand that the belief that race is a huge divide is largely the reason for racism. It's an imagined divide. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 6.05pm)
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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 11.18am) And how is it going for them down in sunny South Africa since Apartheid was removed ? Have they all started living together in wonderful harmony ?
Edited by TheJudge (26 Apr 2015 1.20am)
Really ? I don't think we sustain it. Just the opposite. We resist natural leanings in the interests of commerce. Generally, people migrate to make money not to live with other races or nationalities. Sometimes they are escaping oppression from other religious groups or races. Hardly an obvious indication that a rainbow nation has ever or will ever work. People have tribal aspects to them of course but this manifests itself in various ways, largely cultural. What you grow up around and educate yourself about largely indicates what is 'foreign' to you. Whether that's race, disability, nationality. That's why your seeming approval of apartheid is wrong. It helps to sustain and give the stamp of approval to a myth. Race is important not because it is, but people people think it is. Clearly you do, I don't. It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour. This was gone from rough waters, or overboard as far as I'm concerned. As stated, there are very many ways that people do and don't differentiate. Sometimes it may be race, other times in some societies culturally race may not be so much of an issue, something else will be. I have plenty of friends of various races. You seem to keep implying that in doing so I am going against my nature. Nature has not 'divided' black and white people in any meaningful way, hence the many millions of mixed race children. To create an analogy comparing different races to "cats and dogs" suggests the distance you evidently view others, not the reality of the situation.
You've made your position quite clear. You inferred that getting rid of Apartheid, was resisting our natural leanings, so my comment stands. But of course you also said.. Quote Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
wildly overestimating how different race makes a person by using different species as examples, then directly suggesting that this difference 'must be reflected in human behaviour'. Clearly you think a person's race goes much further than skin deep.
The only thing that is clear is that you interpret everything I say in a way that suits your own agenda. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 11.23am) You don't much like people with arbitrary differences to yourself. Some others feel the same way. Yes, we get it. You inferred that race conveyed behavioural differences by nature, now you're not so sure. If it's nurture then my original comments that apartheid isn't a great idea are correct because people are exposed to closer life experiences. If you're sticking with nature, it's just a racist belief, to believe that races are so different in how they behave they should be kept apart.
Believing that race is such a differentiating factor it's a benefit to keep people apart based on it is a racist belief. Infering that different skin colour equals different behaviour based on biological factors is too. It's possible you've just made a pigs eye of trying to say something and it's come off badly, I can accept that.
Where has anyone said any of that ? I said it's obviously not a better idea to try to keep races apart as with apartheid. You disagreed. You went on to make comments which others are more than welcome to draw their own conclusions about - Quote It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
Also, you repeatedly point out what you believe to examples of races living together not working, then seem to ignore examples of the opposite, or explain them away. You fail to understand that the belief that race is a huge divide is largely the reason for racism. It's an imagined divide. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 6.05pm) It is reflected in human behavior because of the desire to associate in an advantageous way, not because of physiology in the sense that you imply. Although of course physiology and biology dictate behaviour in all so called races. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 9.47pm)
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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 11.18am) And how is it going for them down in sunny South Africa since Apartheid was removed ? Have they all started living together in wonderful harmony ?
Edited by TheJudge (26 Apr 2015 1.20am)
Really ? I don't think we sustain it. Just the opposite. We resist natural leanings in the interests of commerce. Generally, people migrate to make money not to live with other races or nationalities. Sometimes they are escaping oppression from other religious groups or races. Hardly an obvious indication that a rainbow nation has ever or will ever work. People have tribal aspects to them of course but this manifests itself in various ways, largely cultural. What you grow up around and educate yourself about largely indicates what is 'foreign' to you. Whether that's race, disability, nationality. That's why your seeming approval of apartheid is wrong. It helps to sustain and give the stamp of approval to a myth. Race is important not because it is, but people people think it is. Clearly you do, I don't. It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour. This was gone from rough waters, or overboard as far as I'm concerned. As stated, there are very many ways that people do and don't differentiate. Sometimes it may be race, other times in some societies culturally race may not be so much of an issue, something else will be. I have plenty of friends of various races. You seem to keep implying that in doing so I am going against my nature. Nature has not 'divided' black and white people in any meaningful way, hence the many millions of mixed race children. To create an analogy comparing different races to "cats and dogs" suggests the distance you evidently view others, not the reality of the situation.
You've made your position quite clear. You inferred that getting rid of Apartheid, was resisting our natural leanings, so my comment stands. But of course you also said.. Quote Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
wildly overestimating how different race makes a person by using different species as examples, then directly suggesting that this difference 'must be reflected in human behaviour'. Clearly you think a person's race goes much further than skin deep.
The only thing that is clear is that you interpret everything I say in a way that suits your own agenda. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 11.23am) You don't much like people with arbitrary differences to yourself. Some others feel the same way. Yes, we get it. You inferred that race conveyed behavioural differences by nature, now you're not so sure. If it's nurture then my original comments that apartheid isn't a great idea are correct because people are exposed to closer life experiences. If you're sticking with nature, it's just a racist belief, to believe that races are so different in how they behave they should be kept apart.
Believing that race is such a differentiating factor it's a benefit to keep people apart based on it is a racist belief. Infering that different skin colour equals different behaviour based on biological factors is too. It's possible you've just made a pigs eye of trying to say something and it's come off badly, I can accept that.
Where has anyone said any of that ? I said it's obviously not a better idea to try to keep races apart as with apartheid. You disagreed. You went on to make comments which others are more than welcome to draw their own conclusions about - Quote It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
Also, you repeatedly point out what you believe to examples of races living together not working, then seem to ignore examples of the opposite, or explain them away. You fail to understand that the belief that race is a huge divide is largely the reason for racism. It's an imagined divide. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 6.05pm) It is reflected in human behavior because of the desire to associate in an advantageous way, not because of physiology in the sense that you imply. Although of course physiology and biology dictate behaviour in all so called races. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 9.47pm) I'm simply saying that you're overestimating its importance to such an extent that you feed racist dynamics rather than reduce them. To scoff at the end of apartheid is to maintain a myth that people are so different due to race that keeping races apart is fair enough. We've moved beyond those ideas. If we endlessly separated people for being different from one another we would never stop. Your comments here are as political as anyone elses. Ethnicity doesn't equal culture. Arguments can be made for the latter perhaps where beliefs are totally at odds with one another, but the race of an individual tells you next to nothing about them, unless you wish to suggest otherwise of course..
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An amusing post but flawed. We are not tlaking about some sort of enforced apartheid here, we are talking about natural bonds and preferences. ....................................................
Of course all our views are subjective and influenced by our ideological views,including your's.Indeed,very much including your's. You suggest that because I don't agree people generally within in the UK today (which was the point of your posts) prefer to live apart on the basis of ethnicity,I am therefore a uncontrolled ideological fantasist.That's just plain silly... As for your subjective view being backed up as you state by "statistical evidence",well on the basis of the only link you have posted so far... Btw,the philosophical underpinning of Apartheid's ideologues was that the races supposedly preferred to live apart and "develop separately"....that was utilised by the group in question upon gaining power in 1948 to try and force increased such separation...The Afrikaans word "apartheid" literally translates into English as "separateness".
Edited by legaleagle (25 Apr 2015 11.18am) And how is it going for them down in sunny South Africa since Apartheid was removed ? Have they all started living together in wonderful harmony ?
Edited by TheJudge (26 Apr 2015 1.20am)
Really ? I don't think we sustain it. Just the opposite. We resist natural leanings in the interests of commerce. Generally, people migrate to make money not to live with other races or nationalities. Sometimes they are escaping oppression from other religious groups or races. Hardly an obvious indication that a rainbow nation has ever or will ever work. People have tribal aspects to them of course but this manifests itself in various ways, largely cultural. What you grow up around and educate yourself about largely indicates what is 'foreign' to you. Whether that's race, disability, nationality. That's why your seeming approval of apartheid is wrong. It helps to sustain and give the stamp of approval to a myth. Race is important not because it is, but people people think it is. Clearly you do, I don't. It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour. This was gone from rough waters, or overboard as far as I'm concerned. As stated, there are very many ways that people do and don't differentiate. Sometimes it may be race, other times in some societies culturally race may not be so much of an issue, something else will be. I have plenty of friends of various races. You seem to keep implying that in doing so I am going against my nature. Nature has not 'divided' black and white people in any meaningful way, hence the many millions of mixed race children. To create an analogy comparing different races to "cats and dogs" suggests the distance you evidently view others, not the reality of the situation.
You've made your position quite clear. You inferred that getting rid of Apartheid, was resisting our natural leanings, so my comment stands. But of course you also said.. Quote Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
wildly overestimating how different race makes a person by using different species as examples, then directly suggesting that this difference 'must be reflected in human behaviour'. Clearly you think a person's race goes much further than skin deep.
The only thing that is clear is that you interpret everything I say in a way that suits your own agenda. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 11.23am) You don't much like people with arbitrary differences to yourself. Some others feel the same way. Yes, we get it. You inferred that race conveyed behavioural differences by nature, now you're not so sure. If it's nurture then my original comments that apartheid isn't a great idea are correct because people are exposed to closer life experiences. If you're sticking with nature, it's just a racist belief, to believe that races are so different in how they behave they should be kept apart.
Believing that race is such a differentiating factor it's a benefit to keep people apart based on it is a racist belief. Infering that different skin colour equals different behaviour based on biological factors is too. It's possible you've just made a pigs eye of trying to say something and it's come off badly, I can accept that.
Where has anyone said any of that ? I said it's obviously not a better idea to try to keep races apart as with apartheid. You disagreed. You went on to make comments which others are more than welcome to draw their own conclusions about - Quote It is not a question of approval. Nature has divided humanity into so called races in the same way that it created dogs and cats. Differentiation is a fact of biology, and that must be reflected in human behaviour.
Also, you repeatedly point out what you believe to examples of races living together not working, then seem to ignore examples of the opposite, or explain them away. You fail to understand that the belief that race is a huge divide is largely the reason for racism. It's an imagined divide. Edited by imbored (27 Apr 2015 6.05pm) It is reflected in human behavior because of the desire to associate in an advantageous way, not because of physiology in the sense that you imply. Although of course physiology and biology dictate behaviour in all so called races. Edited by TheJudge (27 Apr 2015 9.47pm) I'm simply saying that you're overestimating its importance to such an extent that you feed racist dynamics rather than reduce them. To scoff at the end of apartheid is to maintain a myth that people are so different due to race that keeping races apart is fair enough. We've moved beyond those ideas. If we endlessly separated people for being different from one another we would never stop. Your comments here are as political as anyone elses. Ethnicity doesn't equal culture. Arguments can be made for the latter perhaps where beliefs are totally at odds with one another, but the race of an individual tells you next to nothing about them, unless you wish to suggest otherwise of course..
I am not talking about separating anyone. I am talking nature and gaining advantage by exibiting certain behaviour. This is not an idea that can be moved beyond. It is either a fact of existence or it is not. You can dispute the science of it but you would have argue with Richard Dawkins or any number of other learned scientists.
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Can you 2 give up the quoting. Carry on with the debate by all means, but it's starting to look too psychedelic
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Can you 2 give up the quoting. Carry on with the debate by all means, but it's starting to look too psychedelic
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I am not talking about separating anyone. I am talking nature and gaining advantage by exibiting certain behaviour. This is not an idea that can be moved beyond. It is either a fact of existence or it is not. You can dispute the science of it but you would have argue with Richard Dawkins or any number of other learned scientists. You strayed from science exaggerating the importance of race to the point where the enforced separation of races is deemed okay. It's as political a view as any other - more so in fact.
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Quote nickgusset at 27 Apr 2015 10.32pm
Can you 2 give up the quoting. Carry on with the debate by all means, but it's starting to look too psychedelic Your wish is my command
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Very interesting worth a watch!
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