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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 15 May 15 12.52pm |
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Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
Just conveniently brush over the fact that Miliband performed worse than any leader since Kinnock in 1987. If you think Labour can win from further left than they were under Miliband then you are very naive or just deluded. Didn't labours vote go up? Were the SNP using an anti austerity stance yes or no?
The SNP tapped into the Scots' feeling of pride in their history and nationhood (as well as their hatred of England and especially London). The sort of pride that you ignore or deride in English people.
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 OldFella London 15 May 15 12.53pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 May 2015 12.35pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
Just conveniently brush over the fact that Miliband performed worse than any leader since Kinnock in 1987. If you think Labour can win from further left than they were under Miliband then you are very naive or just deluded. Didn't labours vote go up? Were the SNP using an anti austerity stance yes or no?
Aren't you supposed to be teaching?
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| Stuk Top half 15 May 15 1.10pm |
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes for the far easier contest of mayoral candidate along with Abbot, Lammy and jobless Jowell.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 May 15 1.41pm |
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Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job).
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| Stuk Top half 15 May 15 2.01pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.41pm
Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 May 15 3.04pm |
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Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted At least Farage takes a weekend to change his mind. Young, Black and good looking - You just know as a politician there is a scandal there. I'm going with drugs and rent boys.
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| Stuk Top half 15 May 15 3.09pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.41pm
Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted At least Farage takes a weekend to change his mind. Young, Black and good looking - You just know as a politician there is a scandal there. I'm going with drugs and rent boys. Nice looking girlfriend too. He'll probably turn out to be lovers with that crazy bitch at Goldsmith's.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 May 15 3.13pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.41pm
Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted At least Farage takes a weekend to change his mind. Young, Black and good looking - You just know as a politician there is a scandal there. I'm going with drugs and rent boys. Nice looking girlfriend too. He'll probably turn out to be lovers with that crazy bitch at Goldsmith's. Threesome with Katie Hopkins and Nadine Dorres - That would destroy any leftwing credentials. Probably worse than doing cocaine of a naked 8 year old.
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| Stuk Top half 15 May 15 3.27pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 3.13pm
Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 3.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 3.04pm
Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 2.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.41pm
Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted At least Farage takes a weekend to change his mind. Young, Black and good looking - You just know as a politician there is a scandal there. I'm going with drugs and rent boys. Nice looking girlfriend too. He'll probably turn out to be lovers with that crazy bitch at Goldsmith's. Threesome with Katie Hopkins and Nadine Dorres - That would destroy any leftwing credentials. Probably worse than doing cocaine of a naked 8 year old.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 15 May 15 3.35pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 3.04pm
Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 2.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.41pm
Has already stepped down, expect 'scandal' story over the weekend (probably linking him with the Newcastle job). yes I posted it this morning but it's got lost in the sea of s*** that nick quoted/posted At least Farage takes a weekend to change his mind. Young, Black and good looking - You just know as a politician there is a scandal there. I'm going with drugs and rent boys.
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| matt_himself Matataland 16 May 15 5.31pm |
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Very interesting rumours about why Chuka Umunna withdrew from the leadership campaign. There are rumours about family investments. These rumours compound the centre left's self appointed role as the bastion of inclusivity: Whatever the reason, it has spared us another career politician from talking about 'vision', 'possibilities' and 'fairness' when they have sod all intention about doing anything about any of them. I don't think anyone will miss Chuka. And I for one, welcome Yvette Cooper as the new Labour leader, as she will lead Labour to another comprehensive electoral defeat.
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Kermit8  Hevon 16 May 15 6.22pm |
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17 years Exeter Labour MP and ex-Culture Secretary Ben Bradshaw has thrown his hat into the ring for the deputy leader's job. He is seriously good.
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