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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet). Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority. i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so?
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12 May 15 4.23pm

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Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet).

Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority.

i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so?

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 4.31pm
Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. How will this help? It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions. Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping. Number of voters = much more and increasing. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 12 May 15 4.31pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

How will this help?

It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions.

Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping.

Number of voters = much more and increasing.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 4.33pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet). Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority. They can't, watch them get another kicking at the Holyrood elections. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 12 May 15 4.33pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet).

Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority.

They can't, watch them get another kicking at the Holyrood elections.

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 4.34pm
Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.23pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet). Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority. i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so? Scotland is their primary issue in terms of seats. They gained 22 new seats at this election, they actually gained seats in the mainland (over all they were down 24 seats). In truth they need to focus, I think, somewhere between the Labour and New Labour of Blair. They also could do with a leader who doesn't look like he's come of the short bus when he thinks. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 4.34pm

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority.

i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so?

Scotland is their primary issue in terms of seats. They gained 22 new seats at this election, they actually gained seats in the mainland (over all they were down 24 seats).

In truth they need to focus, I think, somewhere between the Labour and New Labour of Blair. They also could do with a leader who doesn't look like he's come of the short bus when he thinks.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 4.36pm
Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. How will this help? It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions. Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping. Number of voters = much more and increasing. In terms of the Left, I think this would represent their best interests, as the Unions would likely as not form a new political party. Of course that would probably result in 6m less votes for Labour. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 4.36pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

How will this help?

It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions.

Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping.

Number of voters = much more and increasing.

In terms of the Left, I think this would represent their best interests, as the Unions would likely as not form a new political party.

Of course that would probably result in 6m less votes for Labour.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.40pm
Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. How will this help? It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions. Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping. Number of voters = much more and increasing. I would argue that the connection to the unions is historically one of the things that defines Labour as a party. The problem has been in the recent past that Labour has been too scared to stand up for the unions publicly. This makes them, given their connection, look a little silly.
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ghosteagle

12 May 15 4.40pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

How will this help?

It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions.

Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping.

Number of voters = much more and increasing.

I would argue that the connection to the unions is historically one of the things that defines Labour as a party. The problem has been in the recent past that Labour has been too scared to stand up for the unions publicly. This makes them, given their connection, look a little silly.

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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.44pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.34pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.23pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.19pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. I think they need maybe to look back more towards re-establishing their core roots and basis, they did remarkably well under Blair (admittedly against a Conservative party that was dead on its feet). Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority. i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so? Scotland is their primary issue in terms of seats. They gained 22 new seats at this election, they actually gained seats in the mainland (over all they were down 24 seats). In truth they need to focus, I think, somewhere between the Labour and New Labour of Blair. They also could do with a leader who doesn't look like he's come of the short bus when he thinks. The problem of a good leader is an issue, and given the people being mooted for the leadership at the moment is likely to remain one. I'd hate to see them regressing back towards the new labour of blair, that really would be a betrayl of their core roots.
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12 May 15 4.44pm

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Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

Their problem, is how do they make up for the losses in Scotland. After that, the difference between the number of seats for a majority, is fairly minor. They'd be 20 or so seats off a Majority.

i thought they made the move towards re-establishing their core roots this election and were now being criticised for doing so?

Scotland is their primary issue in terms of seats. They gained 22 new seats at this election, they actually gained seats in the mainland (over all they were down 24 seats).

In truth they need to focus, I think, somewhere between the Labour and New Labour of Blair. They also could do with a leader who doesn't look like he's come of the short bus when he thinks.

The problem of a good leader is an issue, and given the people being mooted for the leadership at the moment is likely to remain one.
I'd hate to see them regressing back towards the new labour of blair, that really would be a betrayl of their core roots.

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SamCPFC17 Croydon 12 May 15 4.50pm
Labour's problem in this election wasn't so much about their policies, it was about the delivery of their policies. I don't honestly think many voters really disagreed with for example the Mansion Tax, the bankers bonus tax the abolition of the Bedroom Tax, the problem was that these things were the only things they talked about. They didn't set out a vision for the country and where they wanted to take it in the long run. Yes they talked about how they'd help the working classes, but they did so without repudiating the failed policy of austerity. Also, they failed to even mention the middle classes during the campaign. They talked about the rich and the poor, not those who exist in between. Consequently, though many middle class people may have agreed with Labour's policies, they didn't feel included in the overall project. Looking forwards, I personally feel the best thing the Labour party can do is to not swing to the right drastically. They should appoint a new, young leader who actually comes across as leaderlike, and who talks about how the Labour Party will help both the working AND middle classes. Unfortunately though, I feel they'll just elect a new version of Blair who'll drag them even closer to the Tories, and who'll fail to realise that it is possible to appeal to both the working and middle classes without losing the support of either.
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Croydon 12 May 15 4.50pm

Labour's problem in this election wasn't so much about their policies, it was about the delivery of their policies. I don't honestly think many voters really disagreed with for example the Mansion Tax, the bankers bonus tax the abolition of the Bedroom Tax, the problem was that these things were the only things they talked about.
They didn't set out a vision for the country and where they wanted to take it in the long run. Yes they talked about how they'd help the working classes, but they did so without repudiating the failed policy of austerity. Also, they failed to even mention the middle classes during the campaign. They talked about the rich and the poor, not those who exist in between.
Consequently, though many middle class people may have agreed with Labour's policies, they didn't feel included in the overall project.
Looking forwards, I personally feel the best thing the Labour party can do is to not swing to the right drastically. They should appoint a new, young leader who actually comes across as leaderlike, and who talks about how the Labour Party will help both the working AND middle classes.
Unfortunately though, I feel they'll just elect a new version of Blair who'll drag them even closer to the Tories, and who'll fail to realise that it is possible to appeal to both the working and middle classes without losing the support of either.

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 5.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.36pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them. How will this help? It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions. Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping. Number of voters = much more and increasing. In terms of the Left, I think this would represent their best interests, as the Unions would likely as not form a new political party. Of course that would probably result in 6m less votes for Labour. I highly doubt that anywhere near 6 m of the 6.5 m. union members vote for them. Half at best if you include apathy as well as other parties (particularly outside England). Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 12 May 15 5.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.36pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.31pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.15pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.14pm

They'll seperate themselves entirely from the unions if they know what's good for them.

How will this help?

It might make them look like a political party, rather than puppet for the unions.

Number of people in trade unions = 6.5 mill and ever dropping.

Number of voters = much more and increasing.

In terms of the Left, I think this would represent their best interests, as the Unions would likely as not form a new political party.

Of course that would probably result in 6m less votes for Labour.

I highly doubt that anywhere near 6 m of the 6.5 m. union members vote for them.

Half at best if you include apathy as well as other parties (particularly outside England).

Optimistic as ever

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 12 May 15 5.19pm
Quote lil j-eagle at 12 May 2015 2.59pm Back to new labour to appeal to the middle class more? Go further left? Stay where they are but with a better strategy? It does not matter what they try as they are going down the loo!.Soon labour will be a rude word of the past!.
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Covington.Tennessee 12 May 15 5.19pm

Quote lil j-eagle at 12 May 2015 2.59pm

Back to new labour to appeal to the middle class more? Go further left? Stay where they are but with a better strategy?

It does not matter what they try as they are going down the loo!.Soon labour will be a rude word of the past!.

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imbored UK 12 May 15 5.37pm
Quote blind eagle at 12 May 2015 5.19pm Quote lil j-eagle at 12 May 2015 2.59pm Back to new labour to appeal to the middle class more? Go further left? Stay where they are but with a better strategy? It does not matter what they try as they are going down the loo!.Soon labour will be a rude word of the past!. Hardly likely.
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imbored

UK 12 May 15 5.37pm

Quote blind eagle at 12 May 2015 5.19pm

Quote lil j-eagle at 12 May 2015 2.59pm

Back to new labour to appeal to the middle class more? Go further left? Stay where they are but with a better strategy?

It does not matter what they try as they are going down the loo!.Soon labour will be a rude word of the past!.

Hardly likely.

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The White Horse 12 May 15 5.40pm
Shame Dan Jarvis didn't go for it. All of the other contenders are better than Miliband though, so that's an improvement from the start. "The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee
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Shame Dan Jarvis didn't go for it. All of the other contenders are better than Miliband though, so that's an improvement from the start.

"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

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