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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 May 15 1.26pm
Quote matt_himself at 15 May 2015 1.19pm Quote Kermit8 at 15 May 2015 1.04pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2015 1.00pm Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 12.21pm Quote matt_himself at 15 May 2015 11.23am I think you are taking a far too romantic view of the life of an immigrant in Britain. I do not dispute that there is a thin number that are 'highly skilled professionals' who enjoy the benefits of London & all that comes with it. Good on them. Then there is the rest and life isn't that romantic. Living in run down areas, doing crap jobs and living on the margins. It is a system that we have created and are perpetuating. It is tantamount to modern slavery, in many ways. However, as long as we romanticise the issue, it can be swept under the carpet and arguments & labels used against those seeking to discuss this. I will ignore the comment about the foreign languages and stick to the question. Why does the left appear to endorse this system whereby people are shipped in to do rubbish jobs, in rubbish conditions? They don't even question it and it has serious effects, not least creating an unemployment pool of nigh on 2 million in this country. Do bear in mind that statistics indicate c.32% of recent EU immigrants have a degree (a figure about 50% higher than that within the general UK population). The comment about foreign languages was made only because you suggested immigrants don't speak English! Would you agree many people in the UK over the past 100-150 years prior to the year 2000 ended up doing "rubbish jobs" in "rubbish conditions" living in "run down" areas? Why was this the case? Would a solution to having loads of people doing "rubbish jobs" in "rubbish conditions" be to have a higher minimum hourly wage,greater legal restrictions on having inadequate working conditions, and to enforce this extremely vigorously,with very strong sanctions against employers who ignored this and exploited those who work for them? If not,why not? Edited by legaleagle (15 May 2015 12.22pm) This is generally my experience. When I was at FJU we had a Slovak receptionist, who had a degree in Physics and two Polish women running the cafeteria, one had a masters in Economics and the other a PhD in Psychology. All of them were fluent in English, Russian, German and their home languages. We also had a cleaner who was a qualified lecturer in his home country, but was cleaning in the UK, whilst awaiting the chance to sit his 'teaching qualification' that would allow him to teach at GCSE and A-Level - But he was a technically a citizen, having been granted asylum from Iran. I only have a lowly University lecturer and career break lawyer and child minder on my list of EU Eastern Europeaners living in the UK taking our jobs. I don't think the guys dropped off by the construction companies vans drinking Tennants Super in Thornton Heath pond of an evening have such lofty titles or qualifications. I don't think the guys driving the minicabs or operating the car washes in Purley Way have the same titles or qualifications. However, as this is obviously something you, Jamie and Legal have not encountered, nor wish to encounter or address, shall we say that whilst you think all immigrants to this country are having a ball (as highly skilled, upwardly social individuals) and I don't agree that this & think most are being taken advantage of & are living on the fringes of society, we should agree to disagree? Edited by matt_himself (15 May 2015 1.21pm) Just not my experience, I don't doubt they exist. But I wouldn't assume that they don't either just because they're doing a non-skilled job. Most of the Indian Call center staff are highly educated. They're generally here for the work and the fact that the money goes a lot further back home than here. I wouldn't assume just because someone is driving a minicab or working at a car wash that they're uneducated. Driving a cab can be quite lucrative, even a minicab. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote matt_himself at 15 May 2015 11.23am

I think you are taking a far too romantic view of the life of an immigrant in Britain. I do not dispute that there is a thin number that are 'highly skilled professionals' who enjoy the benefits of London & all that comes with it. Good on them.

Then there is the rest and life isn't that romantic. Living in run down areas, doing crap jobs and living on the margins. It is a system that we have created and are perpetuating. It is tantamount to modern slavery, in many ways. However, as long as we romanticise the issue, it can be swept under the carpet and arguments & labels used against those seeking to discuss this.

I will ignore the comment about the foreign languages and stick to the question. Why does the left appear to endorse this system whereby people are shipped in to do rubbish jobs, in rubbish conditions? They don't even question it and it has serious effects, not least creating an unemployment pool of nigh on 2 million in this country.

Do bear in mind that statistics indicate c.32% of recent EU immigrants have a degree (a figure about 50% higher than that within the general UK population).

The comment about foreign languages was made only because you suggested immigrants don't speak English!

Would you agree many people in the UK over the past 100-150 years prior to the year 2000 ended up doing "rubbish jobs" in "rubbish conditions" living in "run down" areas? Why was this the case?

Would a solution to having loads of people doing "rubbish jobs" in "rubbish conditions" be to have a higher minimum hourly wage,greater legal restrictions on having inadequate working conditions, and to enforce this extremely vigorously,with very strong sanctions against employers who ignored this and exploited those who work for them? If not,why not?

Edited by legaleagle (15 May 2015 12.22pm)

This is generally my experience. When I was at FJU we had a Slovak receptionist, who had a degree in Physics and two Polish women running the cafeteria, one had a masters in Economics and the other a PhD in Psychology. All of them were fluent in English, Russian, German and their home languages.

We also had a cleaner who was a qualified lecturer in his home country, but was cleaning in the UK, whilst awaiting the chance to sit his 'teaching qualification' that would allow him to teach at GCSE and A-Level - But he was a technically a citizen, having been granted asylum from Iran.

I only have a lowly University lecturer and career break lawyer and child minder on my list of EU Eastern Europeaners living in the UK taking our jobs.

I don't think the guys dropped off by the construction companies vans drinking Tennants Super in Thornton Heath pond of an evening have such lofty titles or qualifications. I don't think the guys driving the minicabs or operating the car washes in Purley Way have the same titles or qualifications.

However, as this is obviously something you, Jamie and Legal have not encountered, nor wish to encounter or address, shall we say that whilst you think all immigrants to this country are having a ball (as highly skilled, upwardly social individuals) and I don't agree that this & think most are being taken advantage of & are living on the fringes of society, we should agree to disagree?

Edited by matt_himself (15 May 2015 1.21pm)

Just not my experience, I don't doubt they exist. But I wouldn't assume that they don't either just because they're doing a non-skilled job. Most of the Indian Call center staff are highly educated.

They're generally here for the work and the fact that the money goes a lot further back home than here. I wouldn't assume just because someone is driving a minicab or working at a car wash that they're uneducated.

Driving a cab can be quite lucrative, even a minicab.

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legaleagle 15 May 15 4.28pm
Plenty of immigrant mini cab drivers in London with degrees and post-graduate degrees and/or working as mini cab drivers while studying for such degrees! Maybe Matthew just hasn't encountered them. It was estimated last year 26% of NHS doctors were immigrants...
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Plenty of immigrant mini cab drivers in London with degrees and post-graduate degrees and/or working as mini cab drivers while studying for such degrees! Maybe Matthew just hasn't encountered them.

It was estimated last year 26% of NHS doctors were immigrants...

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matt_himself Matataland 15 May 15 4.42pm
Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 4.28pm Plenty of immigrant mini cab drivers in London with degrees and post-graduate degrees and/or working as mini cab drivers while studying for such degrees! Maybe Matthew just hasn't encountered them. It was estimated last year 26% of NHS doctors were immigrants... Why do you keep coming up with such pointless statistics? The majority of working immigrants coming into this country are not going to be doctors. You seem just to be flinging statistics at a debate to try and smother it, rather than answer the questions. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 4.28pm

Plenty of immigrant mini cab drivers in London with degrees and post-graduate degrees and/or working as mini cab drivers while studying for such degrees! Maybe Matthew just hasn't encountered them.

It was estimated last year 26% of NHS doctors were immigrants...

Why do you keep coming up with such pointless statistics? The majority of working immigrants coming into this country are not going to be doctors. You seem just to be flinging statistics at a debate to try and smother it, rather than answer the questions.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 16 May 15 6.16am
This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same! [Link] Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!

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Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong?

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am)

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laddo london 16 May 15 8.21am
Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK. Whilst the uncertainty of work is no doubt a concern for a proportion of this number, a proportion of this number like the flexibility the contracts offer and fit work accordingly around family, study and other career pursuits, such as internships when available. The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't. You've missed the point of a zero Hours contract. They don't offer any flexibility at all. Basically you have no fixed term work and are just waiting for the phone to call. When it does you accept any work on offer to a. Show you're willing so you get called again and b. Because you're paranoid your money is running out and you need cash to just pay for the basics. This is not flexibility. A friend of mine has to literally find child care at the last minute at times just to earn a living. She finds it incredibly tough but the promise of any income, rather than a regular income keeps her going. That she is classified as 'emoloyed' is a fcuking disgrace! I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions. Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am) laddo "People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist". David Brent.
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Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm

There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK.

Whilst the uncertainty of work is no doubt a concern for a proportion of this number, a proportion of this number like the flexibility the contracts offer and fit work accordingly around family, study and other career pursuits, such as internships when available.

The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't.

You've missed the point of a zero Hours contract. They don't offer any flexibility at all. Basically you have no fixed term work and are just waiting for the phone to call. When it does you accept any work on offer to a. Show you're willing so you get called again and b. Because you're paranoid your money is running out and you need cash to just pay for the basics.

This is not flexibility. A friend of mine has to literally find child care at the last minute at times just to earn a living. She finds it incredibly tough but the promise of any income, rather than a regular income keeps her going. That she is classified as 'emoloyed' is a fcuking disgrace!

I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions.

Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 May 15 9.00am
Quote laddo at 16 May 2015 8.21am Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK. Whilst the uncertainty of work is no doubt a concern for a proportion of this number, a proportion of this number like the flexibility the contracts offer and fit work accordingly around family, study and other career pursuits, such as internships when available. The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't. You've missed the point of a zero Hours contract. They don't offer any flexibility at all. Basically you have no fixed term work and are just waiting for the phone to call. When it does you accept any work on offer to a. Show you're willing so you get called again and b. Because you're paranoid your money is running out and you need cash to just pay for the basics. This is not flexibility. A friend of mine has to literally find child care at the last minute at times just to earn a living. She finds it incredibly tough but the promise of any income, rather than a regular income keeps her going. That she is classified as 'emoloyed' is a fcuking disgrace! I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions. Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am) I know people who have opted to go "Casual" as it suits them to do so and as well as getting paid for the hours they work they also receive holiday pay. The 'Office for National Statistics' (ONS) says that under 700,000 people were employed on zero-hours contracts for their main job between October and December last year , based on figures from the 'Labour Force Survey'. That represents just 2.3% of the UK workforce. Edited by Willo (16 May 2015 9.02am)
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Quote laddo at 16 May 2015 8.21am

Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm

There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK.

The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't.

I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions.

Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am)

I know people who have opted to go "Casual" as it suits them to do so and as well as getting paid for the hours they work they also receive holiday pay.

The 'Office for National Statistics' (ONS) says that under 700,000 people were employed on zero-hours contracts for their main job between October and December last year , based on figures from the 'Labour Force Survey'. That represents just 2.3% of the UK workforce.

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matt_himself Matataland 16 May 15 9.44am
Quote laddo at 16 May 2015 8.21am Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK. Whilst the uncertainty of work is no doubt a concern for a proportion of this number, a proportion of this number like the flexibility the contracts offer and fit work accordingly around family, study and other career pursuits, such as internships when available. The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't. You've missed the point of a zero Hours contract. They don't offer any flexibility at all. Basically you have no fixed term work and are just waiting for the phone to call. When it does you accept any work on offer to a. Show you're willing so you get called again and b. Because you're paranoid your money is running out and you need cash to just pay for the basics. This is not flexibility. A friend of mine has to literally find child care at the last minute at times just to earn a living. She finds it incredibly tough but the promise of any income, rather than a regular income keeps her going. That she is classified as 'emoloyed' is a fcuking disgrace! I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions. Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am) So we are not allowed to debate this because you said so? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 10.17am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote laddo at 16 May 2015 8.21am

Quote matt_himself at 13 May 2015 9.20pm

There are approximately 700,000 people on zero hours contracts in the UK.

The broad brush that zero hours contracts are 'evil' isn't true. People have different lives and this needs to be respected. I wouldn't want a zero hours contract but that doesn't mean others don't.

I know this as a matter of fact. Please don't try putting a positive spin on these hideous working conditions.

Edited by laddo (16 May 2015 8.25am)

So we are not allowed to debate this because you said so?

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 10.17am)

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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.14am
Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same! [Link] Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am) Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"?
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Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am

This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!

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Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am)

Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"?

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matt_himself Matataland 16 May 15 11.27am
Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.14am Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same! [Link] Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am) Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"? Read through this thread. You have consistently refused to accept that there are not immigrants who are socially integrated or holding top well paying jobs or apparently aren't 'highly skilled'. You have, for some reason, produced a bunch of meaningless statistics to try and prove this. You seem to have never 'experienced' the down side of immigration and appear to refuse to believe it exists. I find this hilarious as you and your type have consistently stated that UKIP supporters wear 'tinted specs' and have a distorted view of Britain, a quality you display with this attitude towards immigration. This appears to be driven by an agenda that immigration is good full stop. Anyone one who disagrees with this statement is a petty minded small Englander. You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types. Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.14am

Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am

This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!

[Link]

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am)

Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"?

Read through this thread. You have consistently refused to accept that there are not immigrants who are socially integrated or holding top well paying jobs or apparently aren't 'highly skilled'. You have, for some reason, produced a bunch of meaningless statistics to try and prove this. You seem to have never 'experienced' the down side of immigration and appear to refuse to believe it exists. I find this hilarious as you and your type have consistently stated that UKIP supporters wear 'tinted specs' and have a distorted view of Britain, a quality you display with this attitude towards immigration. This appears to be driven by an agenda that immigration is good full stop. Anyone one who disagrees with this statement is a petty minded small Englander.

You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types.

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am)

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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.49am
Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 11.27am Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.14am Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same! [Link] Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am) Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"? Read through this thread. You have consistently refused to accept that there are not immigrants who are socially integrated or holding top well paying jobs or apparently aren't 'highly skilled'. You have, for some reason, produced a bunch of meaningless statistics to try and prove this. You seem to have never 'experienced' the down side of immigration and appear to refuse to believe it exists. I find this hilarious as you and your type have consistently stated that UKIP supporters wear 'tinted specs' and have a distorted view of Britain, a quality you display with this attitude towards immigration. This appears to be driven by an agenda that immigration is good full stop. Anyone one who disagrees with this statement is a petty minded small Englander. You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types. Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am) Good dissembling and veering away from my question;I admire it Where did I attribute characteristics to "all immigrants"? Answer;I didn't.
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Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 11.27am

Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.14am

Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am

This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!

[Link]

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am)

Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"?

You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types.

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am)

Good dissembling and veering away from my question;I admire it

Where did I attribute characteristics to "all immigrants"? Answer;I didn't.

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matt_himself Matataland 16 May 15 11.56am
Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.49am Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 11.27am Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.14am Quote matt_himself at 16 May 2015 6.16am This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same! [Link] Or his he the wrong type of immigrant? He is obviously not one of the multitudes of 'highly skilled' Eastern European you can pay a pittance to in exchange for cleaning or baby sitting services. Is that where I am getting it wrong? Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am) Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"? Read through this thread. You have consistently refused to accept that there are not immigrants who are socially integrated or holding top well paying jobs or apparently aren't 'highly skilled'. You have, for some reason, produced a bunch of meaningless statistics to try and prove this. You seem to have never 'experienced' the down side of immigration and appear to refuse to believe it exists. I find this hilarious as you and your type have consistently stated that UKIP supporters wear 'tinted specs' and have a distorted view of Britain, a quality you display with this attitude towards immigration. This appears to be driven by an agenda that immigration is good full stop. Anyone one who disagrees with this statement is a petty minded small Englander. You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types. Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am) Good dissembling and veering away from my question;I admire it Where did I attribute characteristics to "all immigrants"? Answer;I didn't. Laughable. You have swerved this debate and swerve questions above. Just admit it, the only reason you are arguing your bizarre stance is because it is imply to oppose my opinion. Nothing else makes sense. Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.57am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.49am

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This chap proves Legal's, Jamie's and Michael's view that all immigrants are socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!

[Link]

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 6.19am)

Could you remind me precisely where I said "all immigrants" are "socially mobile, economically aspirational and having a ball at the same!(sic)"?

You are meandering through this thread and I can only think at this point it is simply to oppose me and what you perceive as small minded UKIP types.

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.38am)

Good dissembling and veering away from my question;I admire it

Where did I attribute characteristics to "all immigrants"? Answer;I didn't.

Laughable. You have swerved this debate and swerve questions above.

Just admit it, the only reason you are arguing your bizarre stance is because it is imply to oppose my opinion. Nothing else makes sense.

Edited by matt_himself (16 May 2015 11.57am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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