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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 23 May 15 10.20pm
How things have changed over there....http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/gay-marriage-ireland-yes-vote I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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How things have changed over there....http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/gay-marriage-ireland-yes-vote

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derben 23 May 15 10.29pm
I expect a lot of them thought they were voting in the Eurovison Song Contest.
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23 May 15 10.29pm

I expect a lot of them thought they were voting in the Eurovison Song Contest.

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Jamesrichards8 23 May 15 10.30pm
I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not. When you�re knocked on your back and your life�s a flop...
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I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

When you�re knocked on your back and your life�s a flop...

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pdemeagle eaglebhoy - @eaglism - Cottage in ... 23 May 15 10.36pm
Actually the truth is it just shows the enormous difference here between our younger generations and the ones who were so heavily influenced by the Catholic Church ! The Irish under 40 are a much more open minded group than our elders, most of us have little faith in the Church after all the child abuse scandals, the result of this vote is the strong proof of that among other things ! Nice one Daz: [Link] CPFC 2010 - Stable and Realistic Owners at last ! Roll on Premier League Season 2013/2014 ! Great to be back at last ! PSN = eaglist
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Actually the truth is it just shows the enormous difference here between our younger generations and the ones who were so heavily influenced by the Catholic Church !

The Irish under 40 are a much more open minded group than our elders, most of us have little faith in the Church after all the child abuse scandals, the result of this vote is the strong proof of that among other things !

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 May 15 11.05pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not. I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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imbored UK 23 May 15 11.13pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 May 2015 11.05pm Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not. I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion. Exactly right.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 May 2015 11.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion.

Exactly right.

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Stirlingsays 23 May 15 11.26pm
I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 May 15 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 23 May 15 11.35pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. Ah. So gay people can't have kids? Or at least not in your century eh? And older people getting married are somehow second class. This should be an interesting discussion. And by the way, feminisation. Really? Edited by Mapletree (23 May 2015 11.37pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

Ah. So gay people can't have kids? Or at least not in your century eh? And older people getting married are somehow second class. This should be an interesting discussion. And by the way, feminisation. Really?

Edited by Mapletree (23 May 2015 11.37pm)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 May 15 11.37pm
I'm actually underwhelmed by this that I actually thought It had all been done before. The only reason I knew it was going on was because of the amount of Irish people I have as friends on Facebook. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 May 15 11.37pm

I'm actually underwhelmed by this that I actually thought It had all been done before. The only reason I knew it was going on was because of the amount of Irish people I have as friends on Facebook.

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EaglesEaglesEagles 23 May 15 11.40pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. Constitutionally marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the concepts of love or bringing up children. Though one can no doubt extract soundbites from politicians and campaigners to that extent, fundamentally it's about bland legal matters in a union between two people. It is for this reason probably that a proposal of polygamous marriages will (not soon at least) never be passed. It's not feasible in law, especially in the case of break ups. Obviously people who campaign for equal marriage rights would suggest that despite my rather condemning assessment of the way the law perceives marriage, to people it is about love. I'd say that although I agree (and wish it were the case in every marriage), the fact is that it's more about formalisation of a union, the love part being pretty secondary. In terms of childrearing, I don't think that that point can really stand up on the point of marriage, unless no-campaigners think it can have an effect on voters' opinions in an open referendum. In Britain it had no effect as an argument at all. I'm not surprised. Many kids are raised by their parents outside of marriage or in single parent families and loads turn out ok. Gay parents in a great number of cases are most likely extremely caring. What I would argue too and I think it could probably be backed up by biology is that the best way to raise a child is by a man and a woman, or at least with the involvement of a woman. I'm sure there would be evidence to show that. Is that prejudiced? I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

Constitutionally marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the concepts of love or bringing up children. Though one can no doubt extract soundbites from politicians and campaigners to that extent, fundamentally it's about bland legal matters in a union between two people.

It is for this reason probably that a proposal of polygamous marriages will (not soon at least) never be passed. It's not feasible in law, especially in the case of break ups.

Obviously people who campaign for equal marriage rights would suggest that despite my rather condemning assessment of the way the law perceives marriage, to people it is about love.
I'd say that although I agree (and wish it were the case in every marriage), the fact is that it's more about formalisation of a union, the love part being pretty secondary.

In terms of childrearing, I don't think that that point can really stand up on the point of marriage, unless no-campaigners think it can have an effect on voters' opinions in an open referendum. In Britain it had no effect as an argument at all. I'm not surprised. Many kids are raised by their parents outside of marriage or in single parent families and loads turn out ok. Gay parents in a great number of cases are most likely extremely caring.
What I would argue too and I think it could probably be backed up by biology is that the best way to raise a child is by a man and a woman, or at least with the involvement of a woman. I'm sure there would be evidence to show that. Is that prejudiced?

I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.

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imbored UK 23 May 15 11.41pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way. If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be. Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point. If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me. Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman. Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book. Feel free to see others unions as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing intrinsically insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you help make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you. Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony as a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them and I am thankful for that fact. Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 12.08am)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

Feel free to see others unions as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing intrinsically insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you help make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony as a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them and I am thankful for that fact.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 12.08am)

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derben 23 May 15 11.43pm
Things would be a lot simpler if marriage did not exist.
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23 May 15 11.43pm

Things would be a lot simpler if marriage did not exist.

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