"British" suicide bombers
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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 09 Mar 04 12.46am |
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Quote Palestinian militant group Hamas has released a video showing two Britons it says it used for a suicide bombing a year ago... ...Shanif says: "Muslims are being killed everyday. It is an honour to kill one of those people [Jews]." ...Hanif, from Hounslow, west London, calls on Muslims everywhere to be "people of action". ...Shuli Davidovich, spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy in London, said the men had used their British passports to kill Israelis.
Unbelievable.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 10.56am |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 09 Mar 2004 12:46am
...Shuli Davidovich, spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy in London, said the men had used their British passports to kill Israelis. Unbelievable. Did they have steel plated ones, or were the photos just extremely offensive? But on the serious point of the issue, I can't believe that we harbour people like that in this country. It's the same as Abu Hamza - people like this sponge off our taxpayers, laugh in our faces, then kill us - I forget the exact details but I think that Bin Laden was educated here. Surely it's not beyond the wit of our secret service and our legal system to weed out these evil people from our country? Anyone caught publicly spouting the sort of hate-filled bile that some of these so-called clerics get away with should be deported immediately. I know ours is a nation of freedom of speech but this is beyond the pale. As for our nurturing terrorists, again the secret service must have some ideas fro these people's movements (e.g. 6 month holiday in Afghanistan or Sudan, etc.) that they can be rounded up and made to account for themselves?
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 Bexter By the Sea 09 Mar 04 11.06am |
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scary stuff indeed, but until we make middle east peace a priority and prove to people we are sorting out our mess which has caused thousands of deaths over there (mostly palestinians) then the hate will go on. how much hate must you feel to do that? my god.
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| Bexter By the Sea 09 Mar 04 11.10am |
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and as for nurturing terroists - we arm them don't forget!
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| Son of Ron Sidcup 09 Mar 04 11.43am |
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unfortunately man has been killing each other over a piece of land, religious beliefs or for commericial gain since time began....and I honestly don't think there will ever be true peace in the world - esp. in the middle east.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Mar 04 11.57am |
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I read a report in the Economist a few months ago which said that in most Arab states, 'radical' clerics, such as Hamza, would not be tolerated and would be jailed, and hence, is why many of them prefer living in Britain where they use our fine tradition of free speech for their own purposes.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.26pm |
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It's getting very difficult to dissociate islam from 'terrorism' now. No matter how much the majority of moslems protest about how they are 'peace loving', the major terrorist threat in this country and worldwide comes from the ranks of islam's adherents. This is a fact. Moslems in this country also regard themselves as moslems first and British second, which is completely unacceptable. This country has generously accepted them and, on the whole, they have chosen to remain aloof from the rest of us both socially and culturally. This is also unacceptable. People like Abu Hamza (and there are many others of his kind) use the tolerance and hospitality of this country to preach violence and hatred against it and its ways, knowing that their views in their countries of origin would not be tolerated. At best, they're hypocrites and at worst, they are an evil in our midst. Anywhere else, these people would be deported quicker than you could say 'parasite' but not here - it amuses me to hear people talk about the institutionalised racism that prevails in Britain, yet this country has a better track record of putting up with rubbish like these people than anywhere else I can imagine. We need to take a far tougher line with the terrorist threat and anyone who preaches dissent openly from their mosque should be removed from Britain immediately. The same goes for those who harbour them. The sooner everyone realises that these people are dedicated to the overthrow of our way of life by whatever means possible, the quicker and more effective the fight against terrorism will be. These scum have no 'rights' - they forfeited those when they started to preach their hatred while guests in this country.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 12.29pm |
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Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 11:10am
and as for nurturing terroists - we arm them don't forget! I agree, Bexter, the BNP and NF are as vile in their own way as extremist Muslims. They both use our right to free speech to parade their garbage about, as Matt said before, and they both have hatreds towards certain sections of our community. The only major differences being that the BNP / NF don't tend to be a) foreign nationals sponging off the state here b) using our country to plan terrorist atrocities here and around the globe. Yes, we have armed people who have gone on to become terrorists and leaders in oppressive regimes. We must bear some responsibility (as must the USA) for Bin Laden. However, we can't go on wringing our hands and blaming ourselves for what is happening. We have to undo the wrongs that we did and that means going after these arseholes with as much zeal as they would be pursued in their own countries.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 09 Mar 04 12.36pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 09 Mar 2004 12:26pm
It's getting very difficult to dissociate islam from 'terrorism' now. No matter how much the majority of moslems protest about how they are 'peace loving', the major terrorist threat in this country and worldwide comes from the ranks of islam's adherents. This is a fact. Moslems in this country also regard themselves as moslems first and British second, which is completely unacceptable. This country has generously accepted them and, on the whole, they have chosen to remain aloof from the rest of us both socially and culturally. This is also unacceptable. People like Abu Hamza (and there are many others of his kind) use the tolerance and hospitality of this country to preach violence and hatred against it and its ways, knowing that their views in their countries of origin would not be tolerated. At best, they're hypocrites and at worst, they are an evil in our midst. Anywhere else, these people would be deported quicker than you could say 'parasite' but not here - it amuses me to hear people talk about the institutionalised racism that prevails in Britain, yet this country has a better track record of putting up with rubbish like these people than anywhere else I can imagine. We need to take a far tougher line with the terrorist threat and anyone who preaches dissent openly from their mosque should be removed from Britain immediately. The same goes for those who harbour them. The sooner everyone realises that these people are dedicated to the overthrow of our way of life by whatever means possible, the quicker and more effective the fight against terrorism will be. These scum have no 'rights' - they forfeited those when they started to preach their hatred while guests in this country. You're talking a lot of sense there, Cucking, but do you not think you're being a tiny bit sweeping in your generalisations when it comes to our Islamic community? As far as I am aware, and in common with every other group in our community, the vast proportion of Muslims in this country are law-abiding and hard working. They also resent (fear?) the Muslim extremist minority. Are Palace fans all evil because a few chav teenagers cause trouble after the game?
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| Bexter By the Sea 09 Mar 04 12.38pm |
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agreed we shoud get rid of them. but we have to be careful not to breed hysteria, the vast vast majority of muslims and islam follwers are peace loving, it's in their religion to be! i'd like to know where cucking gets his facts from - the daily mail? all the muslims i have ever met do not sponge, they work, and hard at that and they have all spoken perfect english. the ones i have talked to are disguisted with the extremists and have suffered abuse because of a fews actions. tarring all with the same brush is a very dangerous game. many are not 'guests' they are 2nd, 3rd generation, they are british.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.43pm |
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Hardly a relevant comparison, Moose. Supporting Palace is not something which orders every single facet of your life (ok, I'm sure there are some no-lifers out there who live for nothing else). Islam is everything for these people. What nationality they happen to be doesn't come into it as far as they're concerned. I have long viewed islam as something culturally alien to this country and will continue to do so. While many of the so-called peaceful majority will deny any association with the actions of the extremists, they will have no loyalty to this country if push comes to shove. If we were to deport these extremists and keep a closer watch on what goes on in their mosques, these are the people who would be most up in arms and whining about victimisation.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Mar 04 12.46pm |
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Quote Bexter at 09 Mar 2004 12:38pm
i'd like to know where cucking gets his facts from - the daily mail? What is this obsession with the Daily Mail?? If you took the time and trouble to actually understand what islam is all about, you'd realise that it transcends all notions of nationality. Please try to address this issue without bringing the tabloid press into it.
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