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One more point: this is a momentous result beyond Britain's borders because you now have a major party leader whose foreign policy will probably not involve war, arms supplying and economic exploitation.

I am not a Labour party member, and am undecided as to whether I'll vote Corbyn should he remain leader in 2020. But this to me is his greatest virtue.

I'm in Turkey at the moment and I've spoken to loads of people from across the Middle East, and the overriding opinion among even the more Westernised middle classes is that Britain is a massive cause of disturbance in the region. I spoke to
Likewise, that we will have a leader of the opposition who is openly critical of Israel, who are not only continuing to commit war crimes on the West Bank but a guy from Yemen, who are being bombed by Saudi Arabia, and the vitriol he poured on Britain for supplying arms to a Wahabist extremist state who have murdered around 20 000 Yemeni in 6 months was so uncharacteristic of someone who was otherwise an incredibly polite, humble man it really made me think.
are threatening to renew tensions with Iran in the area is massive. Maybe we will even stop supplying weapons and armoury to Qatar, Kuwait and the Saudis for them to channel on to IS?

It's easy to just look at home and regard the effect Corbyn's politics will have, but actually the biggest positive in my mind is that we shift our stance on the global scene.

The Yemin people were not meak and humble when I spent three years of my life in Aden fighting them as they were trying to get the oil refinery and killed many british servicemen who are buried out there. We spent months up in the mountains stopping them coming through the pass at Dhala. I also remember the time we had to go up to near Sana their main fort and collect all the dead bodies of the ITV crew and some Coldstream guards bodies as well. It was not nice and I have no sympathy for them at all ....its come back to bite them that's for sure!


What exactly does this anecdote have to do with the fact that the Saudis, backed by the British and the Americans, are bombing civilian areas in which the average age is 15, most probably committing war crimes in the process? All you seem to have really done here is highlight the tragedy of war, as I'm sure the Yemeni people fighting against you could do with as much ease.

from your previous post:
a guy from Yemen, who are being bombed by Saudi Arabia, and the vitriol he poured on Britain for supplying arms to a Wahabist extremist state who have murdered around 20 000 Yemeni in 6 months was so uncharacteristic of someone who was otherwise an incredibly polite, humble man it really made me think.

Did he not tell you about the people murdered in Aden by them and that was their own Arabs plus other people including British personnel and it was all done with Russian weapons so don't give me the soft story from your so called humble friend?? Give it a rest and see the wider picture and not just the one you like to paint. The Yemin STILL to this day behead people, stone women and cut peoples limbs off......great people!!! deserve all they get if you ask me IMO.

You know what, since I met him that's exactly what I've tried to do. I've read up a bit on Yemeni modern history and it is plagued by war and atrocities from almost everyone who has attempted to change politics, be they Yemeni, Saudi, British, Egyptian or the other gulf states. From what I can see, the war in which British servicemen were killed was a conflict between two sides with very little moral credibility. The Royalists who us and the Saudis joined forces with were headed by a King who regularly murdered his own people, with our intervention being principally to preserve oil interests in the area. On the other side, Egypt's support of the Republic killed thousands of people, using chemical weapons in the process. Undoubtedly horrible, but as I said previously this is just one of many examples of the horrors of war, and to tar all Yemeni people today as deserving to die, especially given many tribespeople and royalists supported the British, is ludicrous.

But I maintain that this is beside the point. You are using your personal experience of war in Yemen to justify what the Saudis are currently doing, which, I repeat, is committing war crimes in major cities where the average age is FIFTEEN, in order to protect a former president whose popularity was so low he had to flee, and they are being supported by the British government. Tell me, does a 12 year old child blown up by a air-range missile 'deserve all they get' because of what some of their ancestors did?


And as an aside, you seem to forget that the Saudis, our allies, are the most culpable of beheading, stoning and delimbing!

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Some Aden history for you:
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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.

 


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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


I would suggest that it was also due to the paucity of quality opposition.

 

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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.


This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.

 


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This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.

As Mrs Thatcher would say "He's frit".


 

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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.


This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.


Maybe it is the childish nit-picking, the blame culture and the nauseating spin which comes with PMQ - as well as the important stuff - that he has aversion to. But don't we all?

He needs to get his head around it, involve himself, I agree. He doesn't have play 'the game' but he will need a will of steel and thick rhino skin not to take the bait that will be generously offered, and often, from the government benches.

Interesting times in Westminster at last.

 


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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.


This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.


I guess we'll see. Plus those were hardly in private.

 

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It would appear that general view within Westminster and the general public is that Labour has perpetuated a grotesque joke.

 

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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.


This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.


Maybe it is the childish nit-picking, the blame culture and the nauseating spin which comes with PMQ - as well as the important stuff - that he has aversion to. But don't we all?

He needs to get his head around it, involve himself, I agree. He doesn't have play 'the game' but he will need a will of steel and thick rhino skin not to take the bait that will be generously offered, and often, from the government benches.

Interesting times in Westminster at last.

Reading your first sentence, I thought you were talking about this forum.

 


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One of the ingenuous comments from "two legs bad, 4 legs good" is that people should be able to opt out of the part of Income Tax that funds the MOD.

Does that mean I don't have to protect them anymore then.

I'm not a fan of DC, but he must be pissing his sides at the minute, I think I shall be glued to Prime Ministers question time, should be a hoot.

Edited by dannyh (15 Sep 2015 8.40am)


Sounds like Corbyn could actually try and make it a worthwhile question and answer session rather than a pointless playground comparison of who has the biggest boll*cks.

A big part of the reason of Corbyn's success is people being turned off by the status quo of modern politics. Even if you don't agree with a word he says you must admit it's about time we had something different in parliament?


Edited by DanH (15 Sep 2015 9.04am)


Exactly. My ears are pricked. And won't it be fun when we get the red-faced Tory bluster when JC makes some very valid points at PQT that the people can relate to.


This is an observation: Corbyn doesn't appear to want to speak at all in public. He appears to be taking a strategy of speaking at rally's and protests. I am all for PMQ to be reformed as it is a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but a refusal to participate in it, which is what he is hinting at, will cause problems for him. He simply does need to speak in Parliament as this is the primary visual representation of government for much of the electorate.


I guess we'll see. Plus those were hardly in private.


Also of course there is nobody there to respond and say "but Jeremy, that's b0llocks!".

Talking to a rally of your supporters is a very different proposition to trying to persuade people who are against you that your view is the right one.

Only time will tell how it plays out. Personally, I still give him 6-12 months, and would be amazed if he leads Labour (or at least a united Labour) into the next election

 

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