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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jul 16 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SloveniaDave

agree completely. We are going through a unique set of circumstances and I don't rule anything out in terms of a realignment, but what is clear is that the Conservatives understand the difference between a party of government and a party of protest.

What is also clear is that the Labour Party belongs to its members, not its MPs (irrespective of how deluded or disingenuous the members may be). So if there is to be a split, the rank and file membership must retain the name and the infrastructure. It is for the PLP to split and set up a new structure.

I was a very early SDP convert after the last Labour schism and genuinely believed it would work - I was wrong them but maybe the situation is different now. What is certain is that none of the main parties (in England) have ever been at such a collectively low ebb and disunited.

If I wanted to take a punt, then Andy Burnham leading a social-democratic alliance in the next election would be my bet. I'm not putting my money where my mouth is though.

The problem for any new party is the first past the post system.
I wonder if some of the Labour moderates/Blairites would be happier in the Tory Party.
They would have to embrace Brexit of course.
If the Tory Party even dreams of backtracking on that then UKIP will benefit and some Tories could defect.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jul 16 10.03pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by SloveniaDave

agree completely. We are going through a unique set of circumstances and I don't rule anything out in terms of a realignment, but what is clear is that the Conservatives understand the difference between a party of government and a party of protest.

What is also clear is that the Labour Party belongs to its members, not its MPs (irrespective of how deluded or disingenuous the members may be). So if there is to be a split, the rank and file membership must retain the name and the infrastructure. It is for the PLP to split and set up a new structure.

I was a very early SDP convert after the last Labour schism and genuinely believed it would work - I was wrong them but maybe the situation is different now. What is certain is that none of the main parties (in England) have ever been at such a collectively low ebb and disunited.

If I wanted to take a punt, then Andy Burnham leading a social-democratic alliance in the next election would be my bet. I'm not putting my money where my mouth is though.

Yet he is the only moderate who hasn't resigned from the shadow front bench.

 

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View SloveniaDave's Profile SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 12 Jul 16 10.09pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Yet he is the only moderate who hasn't resigned from the shadow front bench.

He was my tip before the recent developments and I do wonder if he is 'doing a theresa' and waiting for things to calm down and present himself as the unity candidate.

 


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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"If I wanted to take a punt, then Andy Burnham leading a social-democratic alliance in the next election would be my bet. I'm not putting my money where my mouth is though".

I hope you are right for it is desperately needed. The centre represents by far the greatest majority view in our country. Most of us are neither far right, or far left. Labour have just committed suicide. It is now a club run by it's far left membership and not a political party, whose MPs represent their constituents. It has to split, for everyone's benefit. They are now the left wing equivalent of the BNP on the right. Noisy but unelectable.

The Tories are little better. The divisions are there too, although a semblance of unity is being maintained at the moment. That unity will be severely tested in the coming months. I hope their left wing splits away too and a genuine party of the centre emerges.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2016 10.17pm)

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2016 10.18pm)

 

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View SloveniaDave's Profile SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 12 Jul 16 10.27pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

It is a very sad state of affairs when I think that Theresa May in the UK and Hillary Clinton in the US, are the best realistic options at the moment.

I hope they will both exceed my expectations!

 


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Jul 16 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

How many Corbyn fans will pay the 25 on the 18h-19th July to be able to vote for him?

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jul 16 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Labour have just committed suicide. It is now a club run by it's far left membership and not a political party, whose MPs represent their constituents.

The so called "Posters and Placades" brigade or indeed a protest movement.Destined never to gain power under Corbyn.

Edited by Willo (12 Jul 2016 10.43pm)

 

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Originally posted by Willo

The so called "Posters and Placades" brigade or indeed a protest movement.Destined never to gain power under Corbyn.

Edited by Willo (12 Jul 2016 10.43pm)

I have seen jeremy corbyn play a few times. A trick left wing- back who can outmanouevre defences at times. One to watch.

 

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View We are goin up!'s Profile We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 12 Jul 16 10.50pm Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

I actually think Corbyn is probably more electable than Angela f*cking Eagle.

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jul 16 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by glazedallover

I have seen jeremy corbyn play a few times. A trick left wing- back who can outmanouevre defences at times. One to watch.

LOL

Left-Footed he can also play at centre-half and is good in the air.His nickname was "Jezza C".

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jul 16 10.52pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by We are goin up!

I actually think Corbyn is probably more electable than Angela f*cking Eagle.

Both of their chances of winning a General Election are somewhere between Zero and Nought.

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

How many Corbyn fans will pay the 25 on the 18h-19th July to be able to vote for him?

The vote is only open to members who were paid up as of Feb.

 

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