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Everyone must know by now that the NHS must NEVER be criticised!

 

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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 03 Jan 18 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Interestingly, the budget for the NHS increases constantly.
How much tax do you think the government should spend on the NHS? How much money do you think they waste unnecessarily every year?

Fair points. However, I'd wager that for every inefficiency there is an example of profiteering or restrictive commercial practice gouging money out of the system.

I hope you haven't had to have a prolonged stay in hospital in recent times Hrolf. If you have, then you might see just how much actually gets done with limited "human resources" - the money sinks are the kit, inflated executive pay (not as inflated as the private sector) contracted-out provision / poor contract management, consumables and non-generic drugs.

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 18 8.31pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Fair points. However, I'd wager that for every inefficiency there is an example of profiteering or restrictive commercial practice gouging money out of the system.

I hope you haven't had to have a prolonged stay in hospital in recent times Hrolf. If you have, then you might see just how much actually gets done with limited "human resources" - the money sinks are the kit, inflated executive pay (not as inflated as the private sector) contracted-out provision / poor contract management, consumables and non-generic drugs.

Don't worry, Branson has us covered...

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Jan 18 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Fair points. However, I'd wager that for every inefficiency there is an example of profiteering or restrictive commercial practice gouging money out of the system.

I hope you haven't had to have a prolonged stay in hospital in recent times Hrolf. If you have, then you might see just how much actually gets done with limited "human resources" - the money sinks are the kit, inflated executive pay (not as inflated as the private sector) contracted-out provision / poor contract management, consumables and non-generic drugs.

I agree. Money is wasted and syphoned in a number of ways and it is only by the dedication of the few that the whole thing functions at all.
What I still find funny is when people tell me that more population using it makes no difference.

 

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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 03 Jan 18 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I agree. Money is wasted and syphoned in a number of ways and it is only by the dedication of the few that the whole thing functions at all.
What I still find funny is when people tell me that more population using it makes no difference.

Yep. The amount of NHS titsupness can only be proportional to the reduction in government tax take. Current government tax, public funding and privatisation policy will seem benign once the tax sh1tstorm from the upcoming surge of automation-driven job losses starts to bite.


Edited by Mr_Gristle (03 Jan 2018 10.54pm)

 


Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 03 Jan 18 11.20pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

People in the U.K. love the NHS because they have never used another system.

Having used a part subsided system, where you pay 40 for an initial appointment I have to say I'm completely won over.

It eliminates the time wasters so doctors know you are actually ill and not another lying, lazy, workshy, a sick note, or hypochondriac. Surgeries want your business. The health service gets more funds. Doctors are incentivised to make sure your health issues are resolved, rather than just fobbing you off.

More funds mean they can attract better staff.

People also pay less tax and are have more of an incentive to look after themselves.

40 may sound like a lot, but given the amount of money I squander on trinkets it's really not that bad for the once or twice a year I might need it.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 18 11.35pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

People in the U.K. love the NHS because they have never used another system.

Having used a part subsided system, where you pay 40 for an initial appointment I have to say I'm completely won over.

It eliminates the time wasters so doctors know you are actually ill and not another lying, lazy, workshy, a sick note, or hypochondriac. Surgeries want your business. The health service gets more funds. Doctors are incentivised to make sure your health issues are resolved, rather than just fobbing you off.

More funds mean they can attract better staff.

People also pay less tax and are have more of an incentive to look after themselves.

40 may sound like a lot, but given the amount of money I squander on trinkets it's really not that bad for the once or twice a year I might need it.

That's fair enough but it would have to be means tested. Bear in mind loads of people are brassic even though they work.

 

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wordup Flag 04 Jan 18 12.02am

Originally posted by jeeagles

People in the U.K. love the NHS because they have never used another system.

Having used a part subsided system, where you pay 40 for an initial appointment I have to say I'm completely won over.

It eliminates the time wasters so doctors know you are actually ill and not another lying, lazy, workshy, a sick note, or hypochondriac. Surgeries want your business. The health service gets more funds. Doctors are incentivised to make sure your health issues are resolved, rather than just fobbing you off.

More funds mean they can attract better staff.

People also pay less tax and are have more of an incentive to look after themselves.

40 may sound like a lot, but given the amount of money I squander on trinkets it's really not that bad for the once or twice a year I might need it.

Along the same lines, has anyone used that pushdoctor app servive that's often advertised on tv? It's 10 or 20 for an appointment I think, but I'm not sure to what extent they can assess health issues over a video chat? Maybe it's more for minor problems?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 18 12.39pm

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Jan 18 1.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Using the NHS as a political football.

Good work

 

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legaleagle Flag 04 Jan 18 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I agree. Money is wasted and syphoned in a number of ways and it is only by the dedication of the few that the whole thing functions at all.
What I still find funny is when people tell me that more population using it makes no difference.

That is not the factor and to the extent it is any kind of factor it is more than balanced by the savings in relation to the numbers of generally older Brits (immigrants generally being younger and healthier)who now live abroad within the EU.

The relevant factor in so far as population is pertinent is our ageing population.

I had to use Moorfields A&E on Christmas Eve night.Reminded me once again of what a superb thing the NHS is,and judging by my experience then,the important role provided by people born in other countries in helping provide us with that great service (from doctors down) at ground level.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Jan 18 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

That is not the factor and to the extent it is any kind of factor it is more than balanced by the savings in relation to the numbers of generally older Brits (immigrants generally being younger and healthier)who now live abroad within the EU.

The relevant factor in so far as population is pertinent is our ageing population.

I had to use Moorfields A&E on Christmas Eve night.Reminded me once again of what a superb thing the NHS is,and judging by my experience then,the important role provided by people born in other countries in helping provide us with that great service (from doctors down) at ground level.

This kind of typical. Using one factor to dismiss another. Then the classic reference to foreign staff that are here because of lack of investment for the training and pay of British workers.
Of course, the ageing population is a big problem for the NHS but a growing population caused by immigration is no less a problem. It compounds.
Any young immigrant or son of an immigrant will soon be old too and their offspring will ensure that the population continues to rise sharply for another century or two.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jan 2018 1.47pm)

 

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