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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 9.20am

How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?

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Because they maintain the same standards as pre-privatisation.


Not actuallythat shocking and the way that young offenders are treated contributes massively to their re-offending rate

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 16 9.57am

The prison service has for so long been a bitch to public funding cuts, because ultimately people don't generally give two s**ts about people in prison or youth offenders and think they essentially deserve it. The truth is of course that this massively undermines any attempt at rehabilitation, and results in re-offending and can contribute to escalation of offending as well.

But its generally accepted by the public to cut spending on the prison service above anything else.

I wouldn't particularly blame G4S per se, its indicative of a industry that's laid off or alienated most of its professional trained staff and replaced them with often poorly trained, cheap and often unqualified staff. They just exist to cop the flack that otherwise the government would have to do something about.

An effective criminal justice system requires funding for prisons, rehabilitation, policing and probation services, rather than essentially outsourcing them and using 'statistical manipulations' to deliver 'success rates'.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jan 16 10.14am

It is not just the prison service. Does anyone remember the debacle concerning security at the London Olympics?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 16 10.22am

I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state.

Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for.

In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.

 


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Murray's the man Flag round ear 13 Jan 16 10.27am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 10.22am

I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state.

Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for.

In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.


Security companies see sport events as a cash cow. Lookat the car oark stewards at Palace. All of a sudden you need 30+ people doing the job of 10

 


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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am

How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?

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Just wait until they more or less take over the Police!! Believe me it's what that thing who is the Home Secretary wants.

Lots of rumours that Mrs Mays husband Phillip is a shareholder in G4S... Neither confirmed or denied by her or him... If true surely a conflict of interest?!

 


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Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 13 Jan 2016 11.25am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Jan 2016 9.20am

How the bloody hell do companies like this keep getting contracts?

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Just wait until they more or less take over the Police!! Believe me it's what that thing who is the Home Secretary wants.

Lots of rumours that Mrs Mays husband Phillip is a shareholder in G4S... Neither confirmed or denied by her or him... If true surely a conflict of interest?!

Easily obtainable information. Why don't you check first?

 

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Hoof Hearted 13 Jan 16 11.56am

Blair favoured Capita and I guess Cameron likes G4S.

 

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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 13 Jan 2016 9.25am

Because they maintain the same standards as pre-privatisation.


Not actually that shocking and the way that young offenders are treated contributes massively to their re-offending rate

Exactly, and costs (us taxpayers) more in the long run. However that will be a different budget.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 16 12.02pm

Quote Murray's the man at 13 Jan 2016 10.27am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jan 2016 10.22am

I'm a firm believer that certain functions of state belong entirely in the auspices and funding of the state.

Something like the Olympics had ridiculous security contracts that simply overloaded the security systems (like vetting) by making absurd requirements on staff by government, which it just happens to charge for.

In reality, the expectations placed on G4S for the Olympics were unachievable by anyone, but it allows the government a paid scapegoat that isn't a minister, and G4S is quite happy with this arrangement. In return they profit very nicely from an arrangement that essentially absolves the state of blame.


Security companies see sport events as a cash cow. Lookat the car oark stewards at Palace. All of a sudden you need 30+ people doing the job of 10

Problem of the Olympics was that even the people working in the hotdog stalls needed to be security cleared... The system of clearance just isn't capable of coping with that level of pressure. It takes several weeks when there is just a normal level of requests.

But yeah the Olympics employed 'security and stewards' on a scale that would make football look tame. Most whom were just average Joes given a day or twos instruction.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Jan 16 12.05pm

Quote topcat at 13 Jan 2016 11.58am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 13 Jan 2016 9.25am

Because they maintain the same standards as pre-privatisation.


Not actually that shocking and the way that young offenders are treated contributes massively to their re-offending rate

Exactly, and costs (us taxpayers) more in the long run. However that will be a different budget.

Its a catch-22 if you invest in rehabilitation you're painted in the media as soft on crime, and that results in problems at election. Where as you can put more people in prison, and cut costs, and gain votes.

Problem is the moment you start funding programs aimed at improving prison to fulfil its function, the media will rip you apart for say funding education for convicts but not for students. And that's what drives peoples voting patterns, the media not the reality.


 


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