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View Apollofuzz's Profile Apollofuzz Flag Looking into the Future 25 Feb 16 8.49am Send a Private Message to Apollofuzz Add Apollofuzz as a friend

What a sad sad thread. As a family we have been heavily involved in Cubs, Scouts, Rainbows & Guides. I have been a cub, Scout and assistant leader along with running a Football club for Kids (Boys and Girls) 8 Ė 11.
My Eldest daughter is a Guide leader, and has been a Guide, Scout & Explorer my middle daughter has been a cub, a guide and assistant Rainbow leader. I have seen some very dedicated people giving up vast amounts of their own time and Holiday for the good of Scouting. We have never had anything but positive and great experiences. The regulations regarding adults being alone with children is very strict, I wish all kids would join and get off the couch and experience the great outdoors. If you are that worried I suggest let him join and you volunteer to help, maybe then you will see the hard work and dedication these men and women put in.


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 25 Feb 16 9.13am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

It is a sad world we live in and I do feel for the people that do great work with youngsters and have to put up with this stigma.
But as males I'm sure we've all been in a position where we feel&#314;l uncomfortable. I don't even like going to the park with&#314;out my misses as sitting on a bench while kids are playing it's obvious the looks you get from mothers that there ie that instant suspicion. But I don't think you can blame them.

 

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View mr. apollo's Profile mr. apollo Flag Somewhere in Switzerland 25 Feb 16 9.32am Send a Private Message to mr. apollo Add mr. apollo as a friend

I think that the whole of society has gone paranoid since I was in the 10th Penge and Beckenham, I don't have kids (nasty expensive things) but I was struck by the comments of a guy that I was chatting to on holiday, and he told me that it is now "not done" to video your kids nativity play in case you get mistaken for a perv.

Of course people want to protect their children from the nasty elements that are out there (but there again there always has been) but don't let this modern day paranoia stop them from going out into the world and having fun, and maybe even making a few mistakes.

Eating worms from the back garden, and playing conkers without protection used to be an everyday part of growing up, as did cubs and scouts.

 



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What a sad reflection on 21st century British society this thread is. Glad I grew up in an age when parents were less risk obsessed. Was in the scouts 11-16 and loved it especially the camping. Our Scoutmaster was an ex RN petty officer and several of the younger assistants were coppers. Somehow I managed to avoid the perverts and abusers that the OP - and others here - seem to believe run the scout movement.

 

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View conrada20's Profile conrada20 Flag Eastbourne 25 Feb 16 11.57am Send a Private Message to conrada20 Add conrada20 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

My little girl has just started brownies , all her mates at school have started at the same time, not a problem with it, they do loads of activities etc and as they get older they need to do hobbies away from the family ( she's 7).
My oldest boy is at a Palace football club after school , at he's school, which obviously I encourage.
My youngest boy is a f**king lunatic that runs round smashing the house up, smashed up a new tele I bought after 5 weeks.
Anyway we were round my mums the other day with one of my sisters talking about Maggie going brownies and my mum mentioned my 2 boys going Cubs , I said that there's no f**king way that my boys will ever go to Cubs, sleeping in a tent with a fully grown man, no f**king chance. They looked at me like I was a nutter.
Am I wrong in thinking that a man that wants to look after other people's kids is more likely to be a nonce?
Cub leaders want to dress up like the kids and have a sleep over, I know there's good and bad in all, but surely it would appeal to wronguns.
My mum and sister saying ' your boys will miss out because you wouldn't let them go'
Am I wrong for not wanting to put my kids on offer.
I'm interested in hearing what people think, although this is one subject that I won't be swayed on.
My oldest boy will probably want to join, so I'll have that little battle , but thankfully my youngest will more than likely burn the cub hut down rather than become one.
I can't see that my girl going on brownie camp with a load of women would be at the same risk , as the boys.
Stereotyping I know , but who would leave their boy with the local priest for choir practice nowadays ?

How ignorant are you? You very clearly have no understanding or idea what Scouting is all about.
As a fully qualified and vetted Scout leader, allow me to educate you;
1. All leaders have to return a clean enhanced DBS (criminal records investigation), this has to be renewed every three years.
2. All leaders have to complete, and pass, an intensive training course (over a two year period) to become a leader.
3. Safeguarding young people and first aid are bi-yearly exams.
4. There will always be two leaders where there are young people present.
5. Leaders do not dress up as kids, we wear a uniform, just like the armed services, police, fire brigade, nurses, doctors, football players, etc.
6. Leaders are not baby sitters, although some parents do think this, we are there to teach, instruct and expand young peoples minds.
7. There are no mixed sex tents on camp, nor are leaders permitted to share a tent with anyone under 18 years of age.
8. Leaders and young people have separate shower and toilet facilities...
The list is endless.
Why do I do it? Although it is a LOT of hard work, and takes up a LOT of your own time, it is enormously fun and rewarding. How many people have the opportunity of experiencing the thousands of diverse activities on offer in Scouting, whilst helping young people achieve far more than a school environment can ever offer.
Oh, and by the way every-time you allow your children to visit a friends house to play, or for a sleepover, go to school, football club, dance clubs and what ever-else, by your very own definition, YOU ARE putting your kids on offer.
Take a look at the Scout website, and stop judging everyone by your own deviant behavioural traits.

 


Too many years at the Palace to be surprised anymore.....

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View Holmesdale Steve's Profile Holmesdale Steve Flag East Grinstead 25 Feb 16 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Holmesdale Steve Add Holmesdale Steve as a friend

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

What a sad sad thread. As a family we have been heavily involved in Cubs, Scouts, Rainbows & Guides. I have been a cub, Scout and assistant leader along with running a Football club for Kids (Boys and Girls) 8 Ė 11.
My Eldest daughter is a Guide leader, and has been a Guide, Scout & Explorer my middle daughter has been a cub, a guide and assistant Rainbow leader. I have seen some very dedicated people giving up vast amounts of their own time and Holiday for the good of Scouting. We have never had anything but positive and great experiences. The regulations regarding adults being alone with children is very strict, I wish all kids would join and get off the couch and experience the great outdoors. If you are that worried I suggest let him join and you volunteer to help, maybe then you will see the hard work and dedication these men and women put in.


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Edited by Apollofuzz (25 Feb 2016 8.52am)


Spot on. My eldest son was in the cubs and although I didn't become a leader, I used to help out whenever my work schedule would allow. As a helper, I had to have a full CRB check.
All activities were carefully planned so that no single adult was alone with the kids. No adults ever shared a tent with kids. I couldn't even share a tent with my own son.
These leaders give up their own time throughout the year and should be applauded for their efforts.
As in any walk of life, there will be a very small minority that give everyone a bad name but if these people weren't cub leaders they would be doing something else to access kids (football, swimming, teaching etc).

 


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View mr. apollo's Profile mr. apollo Flag Somewhere in Switzerland 25 Feb 16 12.20pm Send a Private Message to mr. apollo Add mr. apollo as a friend

Originally posted by conrada20

How ignorant are you? You very clearly have no understanding or idea what Scouting is all about.
As a fully qualified and vetted Scout leader, allow me to educate you;
1. All leaders have to return a clean enhanced DBS (criminal records investigation), this has to be renewed every three years.
2. All leaders have to complete, and pass, an intensive training course (over a two year period) to become a leader.
3. Safeguarding young people and first aid are bi-yearly exams.
4. There will always be two leaders where there are young people present.
5. Leaders do not dress up as kids, we wear a uniform, just like the armed services, police, fire brigade, nurses, doctors, football players, etc.
6. Leaders are not baby sitters, although some parents do think this, we are there to teach, instruct and expand young peoples minds.
7. There are no mixed sex tents on camp, nor are leaders permitted to share a tent with anyone under 18 years of age.
8. Leaders and young people have separate shower and toilet facilities...
The list is endless.
Why do I do it? Although it is a LOT of hard work, and takes up a LOT of your own time, it is enormously fun and rewarding. How many people have the opportunity of experiencing the thousands of diverse activities on offer in Scouting, whilst helping young people achieve far more than a school environment can ever offer.
Oh, and by the way every-time you allow your children to visit a friends house to play, or for a sleepover, go to school, football club, dance clubs and what ever-else, by your very own definition, YOU ARE putting your kids on offer.
Take a look at the Scout website, and stop judging everyone by your own deviant behavioural traits.

Good reply

 



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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 25 Feb 16 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by conrada20

How ignorant are you? You very clearly have no understanding or idea what Scouting is all about.
As a fully qualified and vetted Scout leader, allow me to educate you;
1. All leaders have to return a clean enhanced DBS (criminal records investigation), this has to be renewed every three years.
2. All leaders have to complete, and pass, an intensive training course (over a two year period) to become a leader.
3. Safeguarding young people and first aid are bi-yearly exams.
4. There will always be two leaders where there are young people present.
5. Leaders do not dress up as kids, we wear a uniform, just like the armed services, police, fire brigade, nurses, doctors, football players, etc.
6. Leaders are not baby sitters, although some parents do think this, we are there to teach, instruct and expand young peoples minds.
7. There are no mixed sex tents on camp, nor are leaders permitted to share a tent with anyone under 18 years of age.
8. Leaders and young people have separate shower and toilet facilities...
The list is endless.
Why do I do it? Although it is a LOT of hard work, and takes up a LOT of your own time, it is enormously fun and rewarding. How many people have the opportunity of experiencing the thousands of diverse activities on offer in Scouting, whilst helping young people achieve far more than a school environment can ever offer.
Oh, and by the way every-time you allow your children to visit a friends house to play, or for a sleepover, go to school, football club, dance clubs and what ever-else, by your very own definition, YOU ARE putting your kids on offer.
Take a look at the Scout website, and stop judging everyone by your own deviant behavioural traits.


Good post. To be fair I never said that you was all nonces, would just expect there to be a higher proportion than in everyday society. Anyway fair play to you for giving your time , for I'm assuming no pay? But i still won't be sending my boys.
Cheers.

 

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View mr. apollo's Profile mr. apollo Flag Somewhere in Switzerland 25 Feb 16 12.41pm Send a Private Message to mr. apollo Add mr. apollo as a friend

Originally posted by Casual


Good post. To be fair I never said that you were all nonces, would just expect there to be a higher proportion than in everyday society. Anyway fair play to you for giving your time , for I'm assuming no pay? But i still won't be sending my boys.
Cheers.

Well I would expect a LOWER proportion than normal society as normal society does not have to go through all the cross checks, I don't suppose you've asked your boys what they think?

 



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Originally posted by conrada20

How ignorant are you? You very clearly have no understanding or idea what Scouting is all about.
As a fully qualified and vetted Scout leader, allow me to educate you;
1. All leaders have to return a clean enhanced DBS (criminal records investigation), this has to be renewed every three years.
2. All leaders have to complete, and pass, an intensive training course (over a two year period) to become a leader.
3. Safeguarding young people and first aid are bi-yearly exams.
4. There will always be two leaders where there are young people present.
5. Leaders do not dress up as kids, we wear a uniform, just like the armed services, police, fire brigade, nurses, doctors, football players, etc.
6. Leaders are not baby sitters, although some parents do think this, we are there to teach, instruct and expand young peoples minds.
7. There are no mixed sex tents on camp, nor are leaders permitted to share a tent with anyone under 18 years of age.
8. Leaders and young people have separate shower and toilet facilities...
The list is endless.
Why do I do it? Although it is a LOT of hard work, and takes up a LOT of your own time, it is enormously fun and rewarding. How many people have the opportunity of experiencing the thousands of diverse activities on offer in Scouting, whilst helping young people achieve far more than a school environment can ever offer.
Oh, and by the way every-time you allow your children to visit a friends house to play, or for a sleepover, go to school, football club, dance clubs and what ever-else, by your very own definition, YOU ARE putting your kids on offer.
Take a look at the Scout website, and stop judging everyone by your own deviant behavioural traits.

"Deviant" is one of my favourite words.

 


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Originally posted by Casual

My little girl has just started brownies , all her mates at school have started at the same time, not a problem with it, they do loads of activities etc and as they get older they need to do hobbies away from the family ( she's 7).
My oldest boy is at a Palace football club after school , at he's school, which obviously I encourage.
My youngest boy is a f**king lunatic that runs round smashing the house up, smashed up a new tele I bought after 5 weeks.
Anyway we were round my mums the other day with one of my sisters talking about Maggie going brownies and my mum mentioned my 2 boys going Cubs , I said that there's no f**king way that my boys will ever go to Cubs, sleeping in a tent with a fully grown man, no f**king chance. They looked at me like I was a nutter.
Am I wrong in thinking that a man that wants to look after other people's kids is more likely to be a nonce?
Cub leaders want to dress up like the kids and have a sleep over, I know there's good and bad in all, but surely it would appeal to wronguns.
My mum and sister saying ' your boys will miss out because you wouldn't let them go'
Am I wrong for not wanting to put my kids on offer.
I'm interested in hearing what people think, although this is one subject that I won't be swayed on.
My oldest boy will probably want to join, so I'll have that little battle , but thankfully my youngest will more than likely burn the cub hut down rather than become one.
I can't see that my girl going on brownie camp with a load of women would be at the same risk , as the boys.
Stereotyping I know , but who would leave their boy with the local priest for choir practice nowadays ?

Maybe a structured and organised association like the Beavers (Scouts) is what your youngest son needs, a chance to get out and let off steam, work with others, within the rules of Scouting, You donít have to let him go away on camps if that makes you feel uncomfortable. Do you know if your local Beaver Leader is a man? more than likely itís a woman. Beavers is normally only 1.5hrs in a hall or outside, Go along and see what happens, become a parent helper.
I wonder how you feel about your children going away on residential trips with the school which I believe is part of the curriculum?

 


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I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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