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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 30 Mar 16 3.49pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Out of his depth in a few inches you mean?

I hope he paid for his own flights etc.

Married to a former Prime Minister of course.

 

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 30 Mar 16 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Married to a former Prime Minister of course.

And soon to be a charity leech, I mean chief.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Mar 16 4.26pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Yes. Although Thatcher didn't target the coal industry because it was dirty and dangerous, the oh so dynamic lefties who vilify the banks seem to ignore the fact that it would have died decades before shipbuilding or steel.

Was that why they were stockpiling coal? I think its safe to say that Thatcher and the tories were planning to take on the Unions and 'break them' and central to that was defeating the very powerful miners union.

In terms of strike power, at the time, the NUM could bring governments down, simply because of the dependency on coal of the UK power industry. Tactically from the outset, the government and coal board planned to divide and conquer. Even if coal had a decade left, the Conservatives knew they needed to break the NUM power to 'hold the country to ransom'

 


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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 30 Mar 16 9.05pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Britain needs to maintain a minimum level of home steel production in the same way as it does ship building, Aerospace etc.. Certain industries are crucial for national defence reasons. Maybe this is partly in the government thinking regarding Port Talbot ?

 

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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 01 Apr 16 10.25am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Can anyone elaborate on what the government could have done (nationalisation aside)? Kinnock seems to believe that some action should have been taken in the 2 months since the board meeting was scheduled but as the interviewer failed to ask what exactly, no suggestion was put forward. He also alleged that Tata executives expressed surprise that the government hadn't entered in to any dialogue with them, which might have illustrated to the company the severity of the situation. Pretty clear to everyone though that 40,000 jobs is a lot to lose when Wales has f*** all else. You don't need Dave to turn up to a meeting to point that out.

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Apr 16 10.38am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

I haven't seen a single credible suggestion as to how the steel industry can be saved.

Lots of good reasons why it should but none explain how. Corbyn was dogs*** on 5Live the day of the announcement although he got his act together a bit by the 10 o'clock news.

My dad was a steel worker and I have friends who may well lose their jobs in Shotton but I genuinely don't think it can be saved.

We now live in a time where pretty much everything is cheap (comparatively). When you go to Primark, Next or LIDL and Tesco you don't care about the integrity of the product you look at the price.

Emissions, pay, working conditions, animal husbandry, regulation, etc is way down on the majority of peoples lists. The only way industries like Steel in the UK can compete is if people become more conscientious with their purchasing. It won't happen

 


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Hoof Hearted 01 Apr 16 12.54pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I haven't seen a single credible suggestion as to how the steel industry can be saved.

Lots of good reasons why it should but none explain how. Corbyn was dogs*** on 5Live the day of the announcement although he got his act together a bit by the 10 o'clock news.

My dad was a steel worker and I have friends who may well lose their jobs in Shotton but I genuinely don't think it can be saved.

We now live in a time where pretty much everything is cheap (comparatively). When you go to Primark, Next or LIDL and Tesco you don't care about the integrity of the product you look at the price.

Emissions, pay, working conditions, animal husbandry, regulation, etc is way down on the majority of peoples lists. The only way industries like Steel in the UK can compete is if people become more conscientious with their purchasing. It won't happen

That says it all then... if you feel like that with your extensive knowledge then it is difficult to back a move for nationalisation or any other costly solutions.

Sad, but inevitable that our Steel industry will die.

Hopefully a lot of the workers can be employed by TVR, Aston Martin and any other major manufacturer that will be persuaded to set up in South Wales?

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 01 Apr 16 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

That says it all then... if you feel like that with your extensive knowledge then it is difficult to back a move for nationalisation or any other costly solutions.

Sad, but inevitable that our Steel industry will die.

Hopefully a lot of the workers can be employed by TVR, Aston Martin and any other major manufacturer that will be persuaded to set up in South Wales?

Haha I would never claim extensive knowledge more a case of even though it is something close to my family and friends, I don't see how jobs can be saved for jobs sake.

 


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View johnfirewall's Profile johnfirewall Flag 01 Apr 16 1.57pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

That says it all then... if you feel like that with your extensive knowledge then it is difficult to back a move for nationalisation or any other costly solutions.

Sad, but inevitable that our Steel industry will die.

Hopefully a lot of the workers can be employed by TVR, Aston Martin and any other major manufacturer that will be persuaded to set up in South Wales?

Should be given jobs in the council.

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 03 Apr 16 8.52am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Great idea, particularly if focused around areas of lost industry. I'd say that's a far superior idea to the idea of subsidising a dying industry; replacing it with a future industry.

This is surely the way to a better future.Past and present Governments have not supported certain communities with the investment of new, innovative industries to replace dying , loss-making trades such as steel and coal.

 

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View stateside's Profile stateside Flag Norfolk 03 Apr 16 9.22am Send a Private Message to stateside Add stateside as a friend

The Gov could help the BRITISH steel industry by just charging 5% VAT oe 0 rated on all they make for the next 2 years, that would be better than putting import charges on China steel which would lead to other trade Friction.
The Gov would loose money by reducing the VAT but some is better than None which would happen if it all closed down.+ paying all the dole money etc.
Quick easy and could be put in place tomorrow. Help like that would make Tarta think the Gov is behind them .When If all our steel has gone China prices will rise through the roof.

 

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legaleagle Flag 03 Apr 16 3.47pm

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