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Sportyteacher London 01 Aug 16 9.57am
Originally posted by sxp55 No $hit Sherlock Benedict Cumberbatch as star forward then....
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London 01 Aug 16 9.57am

Originally posted by sxp55

No $hit Sherlock

Benedict Cumberbatch as star forward then....

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 01 Aug 16 10.02am
Originally posted by curlyeagle That's a fair few crosses but it's the quality and timing of the cross that counts. Countless times last season we needed a striker of 8ft plus to have any chance of getting on the end of them! Also our wide players need to be educated to look up and time the cross better. This is true but equally if the winger knows that the striker / midfielder is going to be making their run at the right time, it will give them confidence. I see it as a little bit chicken and egg. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 01 Aug 16 10.02am

Originally posted by curlyeagle

That's a fair few crosses but it's the quality and timing of the cross that counts. Countless times last season we needed a striker of 8ft plus to have any chance of getting on the end of them!

Also our wide players need to be educated to look up and time the cross better.

This is true but equally if the winger knows that the striker / midfielder is going to be making their run at the right time, it will give them confidence. I see it as a little bit chicken and egg.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Mad4palace 01 Aug 16 10.11am
Originally posted by curlyeagle That's a fair few crosses but it's the quality and timing of the cross that counts. Countless times last season we needed a striker of 8ft plus to have any chance of getting on the end of them! Also our wide players need to be educated to look up and time the cross better. Wickham's movement in the box is quite poor. There was a reason Murray used to score for fun with the same wingers we have now, Murray's movement and sharpness was fantastic, still scored a far few in the second half of 14/15 season. So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery. Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am)
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01 Aug 16 10.11am

Originally posted by curlyeagle

That's a fair few crosses but it's the quality and timing of the cross that counts. Countless times last season we needed a striker of 8ft plus to have any chance of getting on the end of them!

Also our wide players need to be educated to look up and time the cross better.

Wickham's movement in the box is quite poor. There was a reason Murray used to score for fun with the same wingers we have now, Murray's movement and sharpness was fantastic, still scored a far few in the second half of 14/15 season.

So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery.

Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am)

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sxp55 South Norwood 01 Aug 16 10.33am
Originally posted by Mad4palace Wickham's movement in the box is quite poor. There was a reason Murray used to score for fun with the same wingers we have now, Murray's movement and sharpness was fantastic, still scored a far few in the second half of 14/15 season. So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery. Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am) Unless Wickham grows about 4 foot and can score from the stands then I think it's harsh to blame him for the quality of crosses! @sxp55555
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South Norwood 01 Aug 16 10.33am

Originally posted by Mad4palace

So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery.

Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am)

Unless Wickham grows about 4 foot and can score from the stands then I think it's harsh to blame him for the quality of crosses!

@sxp55555

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 01 Aug 16 11.00am
Originally posted by Mad4palace Wickham's movement in the box is quite poor. There was a reason Murray used to score for fun with the same wingers we have now, Murray's movement and sharpness was fantastic, still scored a far few in the second half of 14/15 season. So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery. Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am) Complete and utter tosh. Murray did it in the Championship, which is a totally different ball game, plus most of his goals were not as a direct result of good work from the wide men, many of them were from penalties, and balls fed through from the midfield. Also unlike Wickham, Murray did not have to go looking for the ball, this allowed him to maintain a position up front, Wickham spends most of the game having chase the ball so is therefore 90% of the time out of position, that's not his fault, if Wickham was fed the service Murray received he would score.
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Deurne Holland 01 Aug 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Mad4palace

So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery.

Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am)

Complete and utter tosh.

Murray did it in the Championship, which is a totally different ball game, plus most of his goals were not as a direct result of good work from the wide men, many of them were from penalties, and balls fed through from the midfield.

Also unlike Wickham, Murray did not have to go looking for the ball, this allowed him to maintain a position up front, Wickham spends most of the game having chase the ball so is therefore 90% of the time out of position, that's not his fault, if Wickham was fed the service Murray received he would score.

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Petereagle Brockley 01 Aug 16 11.04am
Originally posted by Mad4palace Wickham's movement in the box is quite poor. There was a reason Murray used to score for fun with the same wingers we have now, Murray's movement and sharpness was fantastic, still scored a far few in the second half of 14/15 season. So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery. Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am) That was in the Championship, with slower less alert defenders
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Brockley 01 Aug 16 11.04am

Originally posted by Mad4palace

So it's in part the strikers fault as well as the wingers delivery.

Edited by Mad4palace (01 Aug 2016 10.12am)

That was in the Championship, with slower less alert defenders

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Mad4palace 01 Aug 16 11.45am
Originally posted by Sg Bilko Complete and utter tosh. Murray did it in the Championship, which is a totally different ball game, plus most of his goals were not as a direct result of good work from the wide men, many of them were from penalties, and balls fed through from the midfield. Also unlike Wickham, Murray did not have to go looking for the ball, this allowed him to maintain a position up front, Wickham spends most of the game having chase the ball so is therefore 90% of the time out of position, that's not his fault, if Wickham was fed the service Murray received he would score. Last I checked they play football in both the Championship and Premier League, just saying... Don't have time to go through all his goals from that season but I'm pretty sure a good 3rd were from Zaha or Bolasie. Despite it being in the Championship Murray's movement is evidently superior to Wickham's, Murray was still getting on to crosses at the back end of 14/15 and still scored 7 goals. Murray's problem in the PL was he was generally slow to get the shot away, better keepers closing him down etc. When in the box, Wickham generally stands there not moving a great deal (don't dislike Wickham but that's my main criticism of him). Murray used to make very determined runs to the near or far posts, that makes up the mind for the winger playing the cross of when and were to place their cross. I supported others statement that the crossing from Zaha and Bolasie is generally poor, everyone can see that. But it is also stupid to expect lots of goals from crosses when the strikers or midfielders (as Y Ddraig Goch pointed out) don't make runs at the right time.
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Mad4palace

01 Aug 16 11.45am

Originally posted by Sg Bilko

Complete and utter tosh.

Last I checked they play football in both the Championship and Premier League, just saying...

Don't have time to go through all his goals from that season but I'm pretty sure a good 3rd were from Zaha or Bolasie. Despite it being in the Championship Murray's movement is evidently superior to Wickham's, Murray was still getting on to crosses at the back end of 14/15 and still scored 7 goals. Murray's problem in the PL was he was generally slow to get the shot away, better keepers closing him down etc.

When in the box, Wickham generally stands there not moving a great deal (don't dislike Wickham but that's my main criticism of him). Murray used to make very determined runs to the near or far posts, that makes up the mind for the winger playing the cross of when and were to place their cross.

I supported others statement that the crossing from Zaha and Bolasie is generally poor, everyone can see that. But it is also stupid to expect lots of goals from crosses when the strikers or midfielders (as Y Ddraig Goch pointed out) don't make runs at the right time.

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victor43 St. Albans 01 Aug 16 11.53am
Originally posted by sxp55 Unless Wickham grows about 4 foot and can score from the stands then I think it's harsh to blame him for the quality of crosses! The majority of crosses are unsuccessful, watch any team in the world and you'll notice. We shouldnt be relying on scoring from crosses as our main way of scoring as it is so hit and miss. I agree Wickham's movement could be better - more in terms of being in the right place at the right time when the ball drops. You're right you cant blame him for not connecting to poor crosses but the fact is most of them will not be accurate and he has to be on the move to pounce on other opportunities Blog: Andy Johnson's Magic Hat [Link] Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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St. Albans 01 Aug 16 11.53am

Originally posted by sxp55

Unless Wickham grows about 4 foot and can score from the stands then I think it's harsh to blame him for the quality of crosses!

The majority of crosses are unsuccessful, watch any team in the world and you'll notice. We shouldnt be relying on scoring from crosses as our main way of scoring as it is so hit and miss.

I agree Wickham's movement could be better - more in terms of being in the right place at the right time when the ball drops. You're right you cant blame him for not connecting to poor crosses but the fact is most of them will not be accurate and he has to be on the move to pounce on other opportunities

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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 16 12.04pm
Originally posted by bexleydave Is another winger really what we need? Played as a striker for us, but I agree, no more f**king wingers please. We do need another striker - And I think its fair to say we've been trying, just not succeeding. Problem is, what kind of promises can we make them. We're going to be 4-5-1 all season, and we already have Wickham who is excellent when fit. Balancing that with Berihino (who can be as much of a liability as a problem) and Beneteke who would definitely want '1st choice' is problematic. And of course neither is going to want to be sat on our bench as 2nd choice, unless we can offer them more than they currently do, for not playing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Aug 16 12.04pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

Is another winger really what we need?

Played as a striker for us, but I agree, no more f**king wingers please.

We do need another striker - And I think its fair to say we've been trying, just not succeeding.

Problem is, what kind of promises can we make them. We're going to be 4-5-1 all season, and we already have Wickham who is excellent when fit. Balancing that with Berihino (who can be as much of a liability as a problem) and Beneteke who would definitely want '1st choice' is problematic.

And of course neither is going to want to be sat on our bench as 2nd choice, unless we can offer them more than they currently do, for not playing.

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CPFC/SCCC Sutton 01 Aug 16 12.41pm
Originally posted by Sandy_Eagle Yes but we played 3 in the midfield still got over run and created less chances! 2 in the midfield and 2 upfront does work look at Leicester for example I understand a change of formation may lead to more goals, however Leicester had kante who covered more ground than most prem players last season. I just feel even with mcarthur and cabaye there not enough energy in midfield. This would lead to less effective wide players. Andy Johnson Magic, He wears a Magic Hat When he Sees the match ball, he says he having that He scores one with left foot, he scores one with his right And When his playing Brighton, He scores all f***ING Night!
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Sutton 01 Aug 16 12.41pm

Originally posted by Sandy_Eagle

Yes but we played 3 in the midfield still got over run and created less chances! 2 in the midfield and 2 upfront does work look at Leicester for example

I understand a change of formation may lead to more goals, however Leicester had kante who covered more ground than most prem players last season. I just feel even with mcarthur and cabaye there not enough energy in midfield. This would lead to less effective wide players.

Andy Johnson Magic, He wears a Magic Hat
When he Sees the match ball, he says he having that
He scores one with left foot, he scores one with his right
And When his playing Brighton, He scores all f***ING Night!

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CPFC/SCCC Sutton 01 Aug 16 12.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Played as a striker for us, but I agree, no more fking wingers please. We do need another striker - And I think its fair to say we've been trying, just not succeeding. Problem is, what kind of promises can we make them. We're going to be 4-5-1 all season, and we already have Wickham who is excellent when fit. Balancing that with Berihino (who can be as much of a liability as a problem) and Beneteke who would definitely want '1st choice' is problematic. And of course neither is going to want to be sat on our bench as 2nd choice, unless we can offer them more than they currently do, for not playing. If benteke joined, he would be 1st choice Andy Johnson Magic, He wears a Magic Hat When he Sees the match ball, he says he having that He scores one with left foot, he scores one with his right And When his playing Brighton, He scores all f*ING Night!
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Sutton 01 Aug 16 12.42pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Played as a striker for us, but I agree, no more f**king wingers please.

We do need another striker - And I think its fair to say we've been trying, just not succeeding.

And of course neither is going to want to be sat on our bench as 2nd choice, unless we can offer them more than they currently do, for not playing.

If benteke joined, he would be 1st choice

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