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There should be a thread about this attack but I guess we're already bored of these tactics and the ensuing, polarised arguments.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Aug 16 10.49am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

There should be a thread about this attack but I guess we're already bored of these tactics and the ensuing, polarised arguments.

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You have inadvertently made a very key observation.

Humans ae very adaptable. We get used to adversity. That is how people endure seemingly unbearable situations and why terrorists will never ultimately undermine our way of life.
The arguments on this subject are usually political and avoid the facts, however,it is obvious that virtually all these attacks are by immigrants, mostly Muslims and it is obvious that these attacks would not have happened if Europe had not encouraged or allowed immigrants to come here in vast numbers.
Those are undeniable facts.

The usual justifications by liberals and business men will become increasingly incredible as more people die.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Aug 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have inadvertently made a very key observation.

Humans ae very adaptable. We get used to adversity. That is how people endure seemingly unbearable situations and why terrorists will never ultimately undermine our way of life.
The arguments on this subject are usually political and avoid the facts, however,it is obvious that virtually all these attacks are by immigrants, mostly Muslims and it is obvious that these attacks would not have happened if Europe had not encouraged or allowed immigrants to come here in vast numbers.
Those are undeniable facts.

The usual justifications by liberals and business men will become increasingly incredible as more people die.

26,370 stabbings in the UK in 2015. But we tend to focus on the unusual in news media, rather than the usual. 72 people get stabbed every day in the UK, and no one gives a s**t unless its a 'terrorism' or 'Muslim' angle (or can play a mental health or immigrant angle).

That's not to say that there isn't a risk, but you can't really blame immigration for problems based on the action of a minority, that are just committing a subset of crime that's common place already in the existing population.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Aug 16 11.16am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

26,370 stabbings in the UK in 2015. But we tend to focus on the unusual in news media, rather than the usual. 72 people get stabbed every day in the UK, and no one gives a s**t unless its a 'terrorism' or 'Muslim' angle (or can play a mental health or immigrant angle).

That's not to say that there isn't a risk, but you can't really blame immigration for problems based on the action of a minority, that are just committing a subset of crime that's common place already in the existing population.

You are right. And I just made a similar counter argument in the police shooting thread.

As I'm sure you would remind me on that subject, the wider statistics don't alter the fact people have been killed unnecessarily and there is no justification for a system that has allowed it to happen.

Consistency.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

26,370 stabbings in the UK in 2015. But we tend to focus on the unusual in news media, rather than the usual. 72 people get stabbed every day in the UK, and no one gives a s**t unless its a 'terrorism' or 'Muslim' angle (or can play a mental health or immigrant angle).

That's not to say that there isn't a risk, but you can't really blame immigration for problems based on the action of a minority, that are just committing a subset of crime that's common place already in the existing population.

Ok jamie, I want you to answer a question, at present it's a hypothetical one, but could've become a very real scenario at some point in the future if we had remained in the EU.

Turkey joins the EU, their's being the only border check between Syria, and the UK. Do you think that would increase the amount of Islamic based terrorist type attacks on the European continent.

Yes or No.

One word answer.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Aug 16 12.23pm

Yes.

A Turkey experiences Islamic terrorism, and is part of the European continent, it would increase terrorism in the UK. Presently, Turkey experiences terrorism linked to Islamists and Kurdish factions, that have links to the Syrian conflict.

I don't think however whether Turkey joins the EU or not, it will make a significant difference to terrorism in the EU.

Also, the question as a yes or no, doesn't address the issue of whether it would be a benefit in terms of anti-Terrorism, to have an Turkey as a EU member in terms of an ally.

Terrorism is unavoidable as far as the UK and Europe are concerned. We've had it for my entire lifetime. I don't forsee the future being any different.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Aug 16 12.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are right. And I just made a similar counter argument in the police shooting thread.

As I'm sure you would remind me on that subject, the wider statistics don't alter the fact people have been killed unnecessarily and there is no justification for a system that has allowed it to happen.

Consistency.

And tackling the problem of Islamist terrorism successfully, is a long term solution, that requires the Muslim community of the UK and engagement with it - along with other muslim factions and movements across the world - but especially at home, and not hiding behind our own ideology and political biases and preferences, until it becomes a situation that's escalated out of control (like in the US with the police).

We have to address issues, at home and abroad, to achieve success.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yes.

A Turkey experiences Islamic terrorism, and is part of the European continent, it would increase terrorism in the UK. Presently, Turkey experiences terrorism linked to Islamists and Kurdish factions, that have links to the Syrian conflict.

I don't think however whether Turkey joins the EU or not, it will make a significant difference to terrorism in the EU.

Also, the question as a yes or no, doesn't address the issue of whether it would be a benefit in terms of anti-Terrorism, to have an Turkey as a EU member in terms of an ally.

Terrorism is unavoidable as far as the UK and Europe are concerned. We've had it for my entire lifetime. I don't forsee the future being any different.

So effectively you are saying that increased immigration form Syria in the long run will increase terrorist activities. The same must follow that if you stop the immigration then the terror attacks drop ?

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

And tackling the problem of Islamist terrorism successfully, is a long term solution, that requires the Muslim community of the UK and engagement with it - along with other muslim factions and movements across the world - but especially at home, and not hiding behind our own ideology and political biases and preferences, until it becomes a situation that's escalated out of control (like in the US with the police).

We have to address issues, at home and abroad, to achieve success.

A problem that would not exist without the mass migration of Muslims.
Now, thanks to short sighted and self interested politicians, the problem does exist we need recognise that any level of security or intellegence will not stop individuals from using so called Islamic causes as an excuse to murder Westerners.
The only solution is a total ban on Muslim immigration to limit the damage. Either that or the authorities admit to the public that the current murder rate is acceptable collateral damage for pursuing their plan to increase the amount of cheap labour, tax payers and consumers in Europe.

 

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I really can't think of any particular solution that would help. A blanket ban on Muslim immigration could have the reverse affect to what you may think. It may further isolate potentially radicalised Muslims and lead to more and increased attacks in countries such as the UK.
A carrot and stick approach would perhaps be best? Muslims should be encouraged to 'westernise' through education and incentive; whilst, on the other hand, perhaps it can be made a serious criminal offence to watch, distribute or otherwise try to influence others through ISIS or other terrorist organisations' propaganda/ information.
Just an idea but perhaps people can come up with something better.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I really can't think of any particular solution that would help. A blanket ban on Muslim immigration could have the reverse affect to what you may think. It may further isolate potentially radicalised Muslims and lead to more and increased attacks in countries such as the UK.
A carrot and stick approach would perhaps be best? Muslims should be encouraged to 'westernise' through education and incentive; whilst, on the other hand, perhaps it can be made a serious criminal offence to watch, distribute or otherwise try to influence others through ISIS or other terrorist organisations' propaganda/ information.
Just an idea but perhaps people can come up with something better.

So you would base your tactics on the fear of what terrorists might do to retaliate? That will never work.
Strength is the only response, not weakness.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you would base your tactics on the fear of what terrorists might do to retaliate? That will never work.
Strength is the only response, not weakness.

My point is that such a tactic would only increase the likelihood of attacks. Most of the attacks seem to be from people already in a country, rather than those just off the boat, so to speak.
I would think it would be pretty strong to criminalise anyone watching ISIS videos? And I mean it should have severe consequences - not just some namby pamby watch-list.

 


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