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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Aug 16 11.58am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Master Coin

Clubs sell players eventually. I look at us and think we should be modelling ourselves on Southampton - accept you will end up selling people but ensure you get premium money for them when you do. And this is undoubtedly top end for Bolasie who's end product isn't sufficient for this level (as entertaining as he is).

Agreed. We have to on average across the squad keep selling players for more than we bought them. There are going to be exceptions when they're crucial because you need experience or a guaranteed performer. Cabaye, benteke and another forward for example.

If we sign a successful winger for half or less of Bolasie's transfer then it's a strategy that's working healthily. We do not have a competitive revenue outside of tv money. We're about 15th in revenue and until you have the squad filled with quality, you have to duck and dive make sure as much as you can that all deals benefit us long-term and keep us stable in the league.

 


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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 10 Aug 16 12.03pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah, he is so bad that a big club like Everton want to pay 30 million for him.

How people kid themselves to toe the party line and how short memories are.

This is a negative move and smacks of lack of ambition.
We can surely afford Benteke and Bony, Slimani,Berahino or whoever without selling our best players.
This is a business decision, make no mistake.

Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. "

I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.


Edited by rollercoaster (10 Aug 2016 12.03pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 16 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by We are goin up!


Would you say swapping Gayle and Bolasie for Benteke and Townsend is weakening the side?

It is not about swapping, it is about strength of Squad.

What happens if Zaha and or Townsend are injured?

It cannot be argued that selling Bolasie makes us stronger. It can only be a profit making decision.
Are we really saying that with new investment and massive SKY money we still need to sell to buy?

I am not buying that.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 16 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. "

I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.


Edited by rollercoaster (10 Aug 2016 12.03pm)

Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do.
I do not believe for a minute that we need to sell Bolasie or that his sale allows us to buy Benteke or whoever. It has been timed to look that way. It's called PR.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Impossible for the club to ever, and I mean ever buy or sell any player without this cliched claptrap coming out. "Why are 'big' club W selling X to us - must be rubbish etc... Why are 'big' club Y buying Z from us, must know something about this player that we don't...etc. "

I know, let's do absolutely nothing and guarantee relegation in the very near future.


Edited by rollercoaster (10 Aug 2016 12.03pm)

Yeah if everyone followed that logic nobody would buy anyone from paranoia and nobody would sell anyone and start retraining the player.

 


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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 10 Aug 16 12.10pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is not about swapping, it is about strength of Squad.

What happens if Zaha and or Townsend are injured?

It cannot be argued that selling Bolasie makes us stronger. It can only be a profit making decision.
Are we really saying that with new investment and massive SKY money we still need to sell to buy?

I am not buying that.


30 million is good money and apart from the Sky deal we need to behave in the laws of FFP, I wonder if the Benteke deal slowed because it would have broken the rules unless we sold players.

Either way Everton are an upgrade and it appears Bolasie wanted to go, I don't begrudge him that after everything he has done. I just hope we get a replacement or Sullay steps up!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle


30 million is good money and apart from the Sky deal we need to behave in the laws of FFP, I wonder if the Benteke deal slowed because it would have broken the rules unless we sold players.

Either way Everton are an upgrade and it appears Bolasie wanted to go, I don't begrudge him that after everything he has done. I just hope we get a replacement or Sullay steps up!

I don't think the Benteke deal slowed because of FFP. Net Transfer spend was only +10mil and we've released and sold quite a few players reducing the wage bill. Chamakh 40k, Adebayor 67k, Gayle (30k ?), McCarthy (20k at least?). Then there's the annual increase allowed. Wasn't it 12mil or 16mil last season? That's between 230k and 300k per season. How much is it this season? Or has it stopped? I doubt it.

I think it might have slowed, or we might not have increased our bid because when you know you have 30mil coming in you can buy Benteke and a winger and/or whatever else. We didn't just put all our eggs in one basket type of strategy. I think in basic terms we look to improve quality but increase quantity of that quality whilst also netting a profit for further squad improvements if a deal appears and/or any infrastructure spend not on rebuilding main stand/WH end that the US money is for.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Aug 2016 12.20pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 16 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don't think the Benteke deal slowed because of FFP. Net Transfer spend was only +10mil and we've released and sold quite a few players.

I think it might have slowed, or we might not have increased our bid because when you know you have 30mil coming in you can buy Benteke and a winger and/or whatever else. We didn't just put all our eggs in one basket type of strategy. I think in basic terms we look to improve quality but increase quantity of that quality whilst also netting a profit for further squad improvements if a deal appears and/or any infrastructure spend not on rebuilding main stand/WH end that the US money is for.

In the end, points are all that matter.

When ever you raise objections to club decisions you are set upon by the Parish can do no wrong brigade.

The problem is that when you get away with a skin of the teeth policy for several years you start to believe that you always will.
Parish has gotten away with it so far but if we go down this season, I guarantee that all the people who are happy with this sale will find every excuse under the sun to explain it other than selling Bolasie.

For obvious reasons, I hope I am wrong and we prosper.

 

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View beagle's Profile beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 10 Aug 16 12.28pm Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do.
I do not believe for a minute that we need to sell Bolasie or that his sale allows us to buy Benteke or whoever. It has been timed to look that way. It's called PR.

Not sure I buy the 'Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do' line. If the price is right then any club will sell - eg Bale to Real, Ronaldo to Real etc etc.

If, as you say, we dont 'need' to sell Bolasie or that you dont believe his sale allows us to buy Benteke then the only only other reason for selling him is that Yala wants to go.

And when a player wants to go, then there's Not alot the club can do about it. Apart from making as much money out of the deal as possible.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Aug 16 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

In the end, points are all that matter.

When ever you raise objections to club decisions you are set upon by the Parish can do no wrong brigade.

The problem is that when you get away with a skin of the teeth policy for several years you start to believe that you always will.
Parish has gotten away with it so far but if we go down this season, I guarantee that all the people who are happy with this sale will find every excuse under the sun to explain it other than selling Bolasie.

For obvious reasons, I hope I am wrong and we prosper.

I know what you're saying and I agree with you, but what you're actually referring to is buying policy. Bolasie we are selling. If we buy someone with quality to add to Zaha and Townsend on the wing then your concern on wide positions is probably gone.

All our other signings have been very good and not cheap. We are now about to sign one forward and not cheap. Ideally we need another.

Until the window is over you cannot properly evaluate, but we are not in the market forany more Mutch, Lee, Sako level of player. SP and AP have learnt that is not the way for us to go anymore as a prem club.

 


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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 10 Aug 16 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Doing nothing is not an option. Selling your best player for profit is not what ambitious clubs do.
I do not believe for a minute that we need to sell Bolasie or that his sale allows us to buy Benteke or whoever. It has been timed to look that way. It's called PR.

So when Liverpool sold Suarez they showed a lack of ambition? Juve sell Pogba, Spurs sell Bale, Manure sell Ronaldo, Beckham. I could go on but i wont - why because its silly as is this argument.

I think the club has a player angling for a shot at a bigger club. There's been plenty of noise this past year. This is a player who is inconsistent - to say the least. We've bought a player with less tricks but a better track record of delivering a cross and scoring actual goals. Hopefully we will get a tricky attacking midfielder as well and we'll have a plan B this season.

 

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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 10 Aug 16 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah, he is so bad that a big club like Everton want to pay 30 million for him.

How people kid themselves to toe the party line and how short memories are.

This is a negative move and smacks of lack of ambition.
We can surely afford Benteke and Bony, Slimani,Berahino or whoever without selling our best players.
This is a business decision, make no mistake.

Yes it is a business decision, a business decision by the owners of CPFC.

Personally I think they've done more than enough for our support in their decisions.

 

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