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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 29 Oct 16 9.35pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

This isn't necessarily a 'Pardew Out' thread, nor a kneejerk reaction to today's game. More that I'm fairly bored at work this evening so I've had a look through our league form since Pardew took over and, by my reckoning, he now has the following league record since taking over;

PLAYED - 66
WON - 24
DRAWN - 12
LOST - 30
FOR - 80
AGAINST - 88

On the face of it, a pretty decent record. He's taken 84 points at an average of 1.27 a game which, extrapolated over a 38 game season, would give us 48 points, the exact amount we achieved in 2014/15 and saw us finish 10th.

However, breaking it down into two 33 game runs tells two very different stories;

1st 33 games

PLAYED - 33
WON - 17
DRAWN - 3
LOST - 13
FOR - 47
AGAINST - 36

2nd 33 games

PLAYED - 33
WON - 7
DRAWN - 9
LOST - 17
FOR - 33
AGAINST - 52

Further to this, Pardew has a reputation as a streaky manager, alternating between winning and losing several in a row. So, I also counted the winless sequences to see how long it is taking us to get back on track after the final game of a winning run.

1st 33 games

1,2,1,4,1,2,3,1,1 - Average: 1.78

2nd 33 games

14,4,4,3 - Average 6.25

So the facts are that we are winning less, drawing and losing more, scoring less goals and conceding more. We've dropped from 1.6 to 0.9 points a game on average and the winless runs between victories have gone up by 4 and a half each time.

Yet on the face of it, we have a superior squad to the one he inherited. He has attracted high calibre players like Benteke, Cabaye, Tomkins and Mandanda, many of whom would get in half of the sides in the league without a problem. So where is it going wrong for us?

I always err on the side of retaining a manager where possible and with us 12th in the league it's difficult to do otherwise here, yet we are only 4 points above the relegation zone. Our next 5 games include Burnley, Swansea, Southampton and Hull. For me he needs 6 points minimum from this run of fixtures or he's in trouble.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (29 Oct 2016 9.35pm)

 


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chateauferret Flag 29 Oct 16 9.37pm

Other clubs have sussed him out I think. I also think our fitness has declined and injuries have hit us. Anothrr enhancement in strength in depth will help there.

Edited by chateauferret (29 Oct 2016 9.39pm)

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 29 Oct 16 9.43pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

As Pardew's dream comes together for him it slowly becomes a nightmare for us.
He started with more of the old guard and now since he has changed some of them for "HIS" players we are doing worse.
Hmmmm - let me think.............what does that mean......I know - maybe he isn't much good?
Or - before I get abuse for questioning AP's talent - maybe it is because we are in transition - if it is then I want out of transition double quick please!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 29 Oct 16 9.45pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Since Jan 1st we have played 27 league games.
Won - 4
Drawn - 6
Lost - 17
Points total = 18 = 0.66 points per game = big relegation form!

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 29 Oct 16 9.54pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

As Pardew's dream comes together for him it slowly becomes a nightmare for us.
He started with more of the old guard and now since he has changed some of them for "HIS" players we are doing worse.
Hmmmm - let me think.............what does that mean......I know - maybe he isn't much good?
Or - before I get abuse for questioning AP's talent - maybe it is because we are in transition - if it is then I want out of transition double quick please!

So, you don't like the transition. Would you rather have TP back? Guaranteed safety coupled with boring football? Or sack Pardew and have the uncertainty of staying up? Or do you think that a team of players can simply transition over the course of a few weeks? Not shouting you down here, just interested.

 


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View Nest's Profile Nest Flag 29 Oct 16 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Nest Add Nest as a friend

Graham Potter please SP

 

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View Dangermouse's Profile Dangermouse Flag Hastings 29 Oct 16 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

SP really should of got Benteke and Remy in before the season started, especially with the opening seven games we had. A strong start would of been very helpful. Obviously we didn't and now just as we found some form the injuries kicked in and they are hurting us badly. As for AP he has us so very close it seems to being a good side as we are competitive in nearly every game we play, but as usual for Palace he doesn't appear to be a lucky manager.
As for suggestions for Big Sam, may I just say f*** off.

Edited by Dangermouse (29 Oct 2016 10.00pm)

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 29 Oct 16 10.00pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I think that if we are in transition - and actually I don't believe that is the cause of our problems - then we have to take rough with smooth whilst it sorts itself out.
Like you are insinuating - it won't happen overnight.
However - whatever happens and despite how good your opposition might be you have to do the basics right - transition or not - and we are not doing that.
Pulis has his faults as Pardew has his - but with Pulis there was a plan - with Pardew I don't think there is - at all!

 

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Oh - and I don't want Pulis back and I certainly do not want Mr Allardyce!

 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 29 Oct 16 10.03pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I think that if we are in transition - and actually I don't believe that is the cause of our problems - then we have to take rough with smooth whilst it sorts itself out.
Like you are insinuating - it won't happen overnight.
However - whatever happens and despite how good your opposition might be you have to do the basics right - transition or not - and we are not doing that.
Pulis has his faults as Pardew has his - but with Pulis there was a plan - with Pardew I don't think there is - at all!

Do you honestly think he would have been in football management as long as he has if he was as clueless as you lot make out.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Oct 16 10.18pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

No number 10 now or at all really is a problem. A problem we've known about for a while. Pardew is excused without Puncheon but if we go into the next few games without a win or we're battling down the bottom in December then SP should be lining up somebody better.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Oct 16 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I have an issue with certain drills right now. Obviously defending corners isn't good and gifting free throws another. Cr&p corners and how other teams surround our player yet we cannot do 2 on 1. Very slow to loose and 2nd balls. We're not as sharp or prepared or competitive enough.

 


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