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est1905 22 Nov 16 5.29pm
Originally posted by nairb75 harris and blitzer perfectly happy with a team at the bottom. both can't manage a sports club to save their lives. Difference is in this country if you finish bottom you have to leave the division and kiss goodbye to £100m. I somehow think that will change their minds about where they'd like Palace to be placed in the Premiership.
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22 Nov 16 5.29pm

Originally posted by nairb75

harris and blitzer perfectly happy with a team at the bottom. both can't manage a sports club to save their lives.

Difference is in this country if you finish bottom you have to leave the division and kiss goodbye to £100m. I somehow think that will change their minds about where they'd like Palace to be placed in the Premiership.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 22 Nov 16 5.41pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin I disagree - Pulis changed a bunch of Championship players who on paper were not up to this lots standard and kept us up - easily! All we need is a game plan and when you are losing that starts at the back in the defence and then someone sitting in front of them to cover them and then a leader on the field - it appears though that we do not have any of that at present. I don't care who sorts it out - I would prefer it was AP without a doubt but so far and for the last 10 months that is not happening. It has been said time and time again - we are not presuming that we should be right up there but it cannot be denied that we are (statistically ) worse now than we were a year ago - even 18 months ago - and that cannot be right. We should be holding our own with a slight improvement here and there - not a lot to wish for is it? I see one Team worse than us right now and that is Hull - other than them we are deep in it with a few others. And the following season Pardew did even better He deserves up to Watford unless we really are in s*** street by then. i.e. only 3-4 points better off than now Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Nov 2016 5.41pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 22 Nov 16 5.41pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I disagree - Pulis changed a bunch of Championship players who on paper were not up to this lots standard and kept us up - easily!
All we need is a game plan and when you are losing that starts at the back in the defence and then someone sitting in front of them to cover them and then a leader on the field - it appears though that we do not have any of that at present.
I don't care who sorts it out - I would prefer it was AP without a doubt but so far and for the last 10 months that is not happening.
It has been said time and time again - we are not presuming that we should be right up there but it cannot be denied that we are (statistically ) worse now than we were a year ago - even 18 months ago - and that cannot be right.
We should be holding our own with a slight improvement here and there - not a lot to wish for is it?
I see one Team worse than us right now and that is Hull - other than them we are deep in it with a few others.

And the following season Pardew did even better

He deserves up to Watford unless we really are in s*** street by then. i.e. only 3-4 points better off than now

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Nov 2016 5.41pm)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Booted Eagle Bristol 22 Nov 16 6.17pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch And the following season Pardew did even better He deserves up to Watford unless we really are in s*** street by then. i.e. only 3-4 points better off than now Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Nov 2016 5.41pm) Agree. However his position would be largely untenable then as it would be almost at the same position as when he took over from Warnock. Looking at the next 6 games and our present woes I can easily see the club in this position. I wouldn't be surprised if the owners aren't already actively pursuing options. Edited by Booted Eagle (22 Nov 2016 6.20pm) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 22 Nov 16 6.17pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

And the following season Pardew did even better

He deserves up to Watford unless we really are in s*** street by then. i.e. only 3-4 points better off than now

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (22 Nov 2016 5.41pm)

Agree. However his position would be largely untenable then as it would be almost at the same position as when he took over from Warnock. Looking at the next 6 games and our present woes I can easily see the club in this position. I wouldn't be surprised if the owners aren't already actively pursuing options.

Edited by Booted Eagle (22 Nov 2016 6.20pm)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
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Booted Eagle Bristol 22 Nov 16 6.38pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Seven points before the end of the year, should be fine. Problem Pards has is that we also have Man Utd, Chelsea and the Arse in that period. Whilst that looks like a great haul looking at the matches and I would probably take it now, further forward our run in is horrific, Chelsea, Soton, Arsenal, Liverpool, ManUre, Citeh, Leicester with Burnley and Hull thrown in from 1 April. From Jan to April we will have to really find some form. Praying we can get a few more at the moment. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 22 Nov 16 6.38pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Seven points before the end of the year, should be fine. Problem Pards has is that we also have Man Utd, Chelsea and the Arse in that period.

Whilst that looks like a great haul looking at the matches and I would probably take it now, further forward our run in is horrific, Chelsea, Soton, Arsenal, Liverpool, ManUre, Citeh, Leicester with Burnley and Hull thrown in from 1 April. From Jan to April we will have to really find some form. Praying we can get a few more at the moment.

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Den1923 22 Nov 16 7.06pm
I can fully understand the support for AP, especially as an ex-player we would of course all like to see him being successful, but the facts are that its not happening, just look at the facts, 9 goals conceded from set play this season, worst in PL, 92/92 in terms of points gained in 2016, 10 clean sheets since 01/2015, lowest with Morecambe, 10. poor on field communication (City 2nd on Saturday), it just can't go on this a results business and if he were being paid on performance he would owe the club money!
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22 Nov 16 7.06pm

I can fully understand the support for AP, especially as an ex-player we would of course all like to see him being successful, but the facts are that its not happening, just look at the facts, 9 goals conceded from set play this season, worst in PL, 92/92 in terms of points gained in 2016, 10 clean sheets since 01/2015, lowest with Morecambe, 10. poor on field communication (City 2nd on Saturday), it just can't go on this a results business and if he were being paid on performance he would owe the club money!

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rawpalace05 Saltdean 22 Nov 16 8.49pm
AP has been unlucky. We're a couple short at the back and arguably further up the pitch too, constant injuries have caused major disruption. He had an average group playing some terrific stuff last season, got us to a cup final and has forged an exciting if not settled style of play. Moving forward if we can strengthen a couple of decent squad players in January (replacements for kelly, ledley and campbell) then I believe we can go on a run second half of the season, maybe a run similar that of the one at the beginning of the last. IF we were at crisis point, ie had been in the bottom 3 for a couple of weeks, OR were reliant on places because these Yanks had actually started funding a new selhurst, then I may contemplate the idea of him leaving. As it stands though I believe it to be totally the wrong time and a little distastful, we are 1 win off mid-table in the best league in the world. He has to stay IMO, the disruption will do us no good ad besides there aren't exactly many options out there. 1/6/2010.a new era.we made it everyone!!!lets get the ball rolling for another 105 years of proud history.thank you cpfc2010. palace forever.eeaaaaaaaaaaaaaggglless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saltdean 22 Nov 16 8.49pm

AP has been unlucky. We're a couple short at the back and arguably further up the pitch too, constant injuries have caused major disruption.

He had an average group playing some terrific stuff last season, got us to a cup final and has forged an exciting if not settled style of play.

Moving forward if we can strengthen a couple of decent squad players in January (replacements for kelly, ledley and campbell) then I believe we can go on a run second half of the season, maybe a run similar that of the one at the beginning of the last.

IF we were at crisis point, ie had been in the bottom 3 for a couple of weeks, OR were reliant on places because these Yanks had actually started funding a new selhurst, then I may contemplate the idea of him leaving.

As it stands though I believe it to be totally the wrong time and a little distastful, we are 1 win off mid-table in the best league in the world.

He has to stay IMO, the disruption will do us no good ad besides there aren't exactly many options out there.

1/6/2010.a new era.we made it everyone!!!lets get the ball rolling for another 105 years of proud history.thank you cpfc2010.

palace forever.eeaaaaaaaaaaaaaggglless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 Nov 16 9.10pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 All the criticism shoved in Pardew's direction would make sense if we had been playing badly or the spirit of the team was wanting or he had lost the dressing room. As it stands none of the above is happening so a lot of the critical crap is just hissy fit bollocks to suit people's agenda in wanting him to go. The team makes mistakes because...wait for it...some of the players aren't great and we are a lower half Prem team. A new manager is not going to be able to change that. Wow! I normally disregard your posts. I'll take more notice now. Sorry. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by Kermit8

All the criticism shoved in Pardew's direction would make sense if we had been playing badly or the spirit of the team was wanting or he had lost the dressing room.

As it stands none of the above is happening so a lot of the critical crap is just hissy fit bollocks to suit people's agenda in wanting him to go.

The team makes mistakes because...wait for it...some of the players aren't great and we are a lower half Prem team.

A new manager is not going to be able to change that.

Wow!

I normally disregard your posts. I'll take more notice now.

Sorry.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Nov 16 9.31pm
Originally posted by nairb75 have you ever heard trump talk? walmart kids are all billionaires - morons. i don't mean they're dumb overall. they just don't really understand sports and the management of a club. Edited by nairb75 (22 Nov 2016 3.28pm) .....and that is why they hire experts who do. My guess is that ultimately if Parish decides to pull the trigger they will go along with it. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Nov 16 9.31pm

Originally posted by nairb75

have you ever heard trump talk?

walmart kids are all billionaires - morons.

i don't mean they're dumb overall. they just don't really understand sports and the management of a club.

Edited by nairb75 (22 Nov 2016 3.28pm)

.....and that is why they hire experts who do. My guess is that ultimately if Parish decides to pull the trigger they will go along with it.

Pro USA & Israel

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NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Nov 16 9.34pm
As for the AP vs Pulis comparison, by season in reverse order: Goals against Pulis: 48, 51, 48, 45, 53. Avg 49. AP 51, 51, 59, 68, 51. Avg 56. A difference of 0.18 goals per game. League position Pulis: 14, 13, 11, 13, 14. Average league position 13th. 15, 10, 10, 16, 5. Avg 11th. So, Pulis' sides are better defensively, but he's been outperformed on average in the league. Pardew's gained three top half finishes with little money spent. Pulis, as we all know, had one of the highest net spends at Stoke. Edited by NickinOX (22 Nov 2016 9.54pm) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 22 Nov 16 9.34pm

As for the AP vs Pulis comparison, by season in reverse order:

Goals against Pulis: 48, 51, 48, 45, 53. Avg 49.

AP 51, 51, 59, 68, 51. Avg 56. A difference of 0.18 goals per game.

League position Pulis: 14, 13, 11, 13, 14. Average league position 13th.

15, 10, 10, 16, 5. Avg 11th.

So, Pulis' sides are better defensively, but he's been outperformed on average in the league. Pardew's gained three top half finishes with little money spent. Pulis, as we all know, had one of the highest net spends at Stoke.

Edited by NickinOX (22 Nov 2016 9.54pm)

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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DocSavage1 Brackley 22 Nov 16 9.44pm
for me the problem is that he's invoked a style which doesn't suit this squad and the defensive lapses are down to coaching and the attempts to play out against teams like m. city are and will continue to be disastrous but i'd prefer to keep him and let me give him a good talking to .............
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Brackley 22 Nov 16 9.44pm

for me the problem is that he's invoked a style which doesn't suit this squad and the defensive lapses are down to coaching and the attempts to play out against teams like m. city are and will continue to be disastrous

but i'd prefer to keep him and let me give him a good talking to .............

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phillanth London 22 Nov 16 9.45pm
Originally posted by Stuart Shave Which is the right answer. It's a shame some of our more fickle supporters cannot see that the performances have been there for the best part of this season so far, and the players are most definitely still with him and until that changes he will have my support. Our luck will change and a transfer window in January will also help. A sacking usually happens around now so a a new manager has a transfer window. Edited by Stuart Shave (20 Nov 2016 8.21pm) Not the right answer in my opinion. I am embarrassed that my club has the worst record in 2016 in the entire Football League. On what planet is that acceptable? The point of an improved style of football is that we win more games. Our amateur hour defending means that however well we play we will still lose and that will demoralise the squad before long so we won't even be playing well in midfield and attack. We have the best squad in the history of the club but are plummeting towards the bottom 3. Who's fault is that? Of course in the ideal world I would like Pardew to succeed in sorting it out but he has had eleven months to do that and has failed abysmally despite quality signings. I would have Pulis back like a shot despite his disgraceful behaviour but that's not possible so lets get Fat Sam in now and steady the ship before its too late.
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London 22 Nov 16 9.45pm

Originally posted by Stuart Shave

Which is the right answer. It's a shame some of our more fickle supporters cannot see that the performances have been there for the best part of this season so far, and the players are most definitely still with him and until that changes he will have my support.

Our luck will change and a transfer window in January will also help. A sacking usually happens around now so a a new manager has a transfer window.

Edited by Stuart Shave (20 Nov 2016 8.21pm)

Not the right answer in my opinion. I am embarrassed that my club has the worst record in 2016 in the entire Football League. On what planet is that acceptable? The point of an improved style of football is that we win more games. Our amateur hour defending means that however well we play we will still lose and that will demoralise the squad before long so we won't even be playing well in midfield and attack. We have the best squad in the history of the club but are plummeting towards the bottom 3. Who's fault is that? Of course in the ideal world I would like Pardew to succeed in sorting it out but he has had eleven months to do that and has failed abysmally despite quality signings. I would have Pulis back like a shot despite his disgraceful behaviour but that's not possible so lets get Fat Sam in now and steady the ship before its too late.

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BelfastEagle 22 Nov 16 9.46pm
Originally posted by rawpalace05 AP has been unlucky I would actually say that he been incredibly lucky. He has had the luxury of signing a £30m centre forward, a £13 m winger and a £10 m centre half. Any manager in our history would have bitten your arm off for these players and to have spent £50m. And with the huge investment given to him what has he produced in the last 12 months ? A team whose league performances are fast becoming a laughing stock. It' would be criminal to give him any more time or money sorry. Put Millen in charge immediately....at least he knows how to build a defence that can defend from a dead ball Edited by BelfastEagle (22 Nov 2016 9.48pm)
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22 Nov 16 9.46pm

Originally posted by rawpalace05

AP has been unlucky

I would actually say that he been incredibly lucky.

He has had the luxury of signing a £30m centre forward, a £13 m winger and a £10 m centre half. Any manager in our history would have bitten your arm off for these players and to have spent £50m. And with the huge investment given to him what has he produced in the last 12 months ? A team whose league performances are fast becoming a laughing stock. It' would be criminal to give him any more time or money sorry. Put Millen in charge immediately....at least he knows how to build a defence that can defend from a dead ball

Edited by BelfastEagle (22 Nov 2016 9.48pm)

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