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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Dordogne 10 Feb 17 7.53pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

At best they were selfish,arrogant and grossly negligent, but that doesnt warrant the loss of a child. However they could have been guilty of much more but without a body nothing will ever be proven. They do come accross as deeply unpleasant and somewhat cold tho which doesnt help the publics perception of them.

 

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View Pierre's Profile Pierre Flag Purley 10 Feb 17 9.12pm Send a Private Message to Pierre Add Pierre as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No, I don't have kids. But I remember my mum leaving us alone in the garden when she popped to the shops, and being left in bed at holiday camps when we were kids. Pretty common back in those old days of the 70s - The camps ran a service where people would patrol the grounds at night listening for crying kids and then alerts would come over the tannoy.


Good job Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Max Clifford or Johnathon King didn't ever see the adverts for these sort of jobs!

 

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good timing...i walked through brum airport last week on my way to fuertenvura and there were a few posters with her face as it would be now on it.

i made a flippent comment to my partner that shes probably dead.

i dont know what happened but they should not have left 3 kids un attended whilst they wined & dined, and they should have not refused to take a lie detector test.

its a tragedy they lost a child but somethings not right.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Feb 17 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Me neither, however less that 1% of child abductions are by a stranger, and even less child deaths. Its usually the father or the mother in a child death (or the step parent). Which is why the police in the UK investigate both angles.

Family and friends tend to be the people who'll kill you. Then acquaintances / friends of friends. Murder by stranger is very rare. And even then its because they're in love with your other half....

I just don't think you have been paying attention to Murder In Paradise, Midsomer Murders, The Bridge etc.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 Feb 17 5.45am

That said it seems you can make a good livings of a dead kid. And for her sake its probably better that she's dead, the most likely alternative iis pretty f***ingf horrible

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 Feb 17 5.47am

Originally posted by Pierre


Good job Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Max Clifford or Johnathon King didn't ever see the adverts for these sort of jobs!

They were to busy rapimng children people brought to them to, and being allowed to do so by supposedly better people!e around them

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 Feb 17 5.55am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

good timing...i walked through brum airport last week on my way to fuertenvura and there were a few posters with her face as it would be now on it.

i made a flippent comment to my partner that shes probably dead.

i dont know what happened but they should not have left 3 kids un attended whilst they wined & dined, and they should have not refused to take a lie detector test.

its a tragedy they lost a child but somethings not right.

Lie detector tests on emotionally disraut people are ridiculously unreliable as they measure emotional physiological reactions. Most parents who'd lost a child would fail one. Which a test would have just made them look guilty even if they weren't. Once you started asking questions about the kid you'd get an emotional response regardless of the answer.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

They were to busy rapimng children people brought to them to, and being allowed to do so by supposedly better people!e around them

You been drinking?

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Lie detector tests on emotionally disraut people are ridiculously unreliable as they measure emotional physiological reactions. Most parents who'd lost a child would fail one. Which a test would have just made them look guilty even if they weren't. Once you started asking questions about the kid you'd get an emotional response regardless of the answer.

Polygraphs are able to be overcome by anyone who wants to do it let alone those in their or a similar situation, and we all know family are all about emotion, good, bad or indifferent.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Lie detector tests on emotionally disraut people are ridiculously unreliable as they measure emotional physiological reactions. Most parents who'd lost a child would fail one. Which a test would have just made them look guilty even if they weren't. Once you started asking questions about the kid you'd get an emotional response regardless of the answer.

Agreed. I have heard (a phrase which you can use to discount the rest of this sentence if you want!) that they refused to participate in more than just lie detector tests though. I don't know about Portugese law but I don't believe in the UK the lie detector test results are admissible in court for that very reason. I sometimes even wonder whether the stupid chav kids on Jeremy Kyle have genuinely been given the wrong results on their tests as well. There is a caveat at the start in very small writing that says "We recognise lie detector tests aren't 100% accurate but for the purpose of viewing figures we shall persecute a nervous kid" (I might be paraphrasing).

 




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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 11.31am

Originally posted by palace777

You been drinking?

Haha no, posting from my Tablet, with my fat f**king fingers, at half five.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (15 Feb 2017 11.31am)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 11.41am

Originally posted by Part Time James

Agreed. I have heard (a phrase which you can use to discount the rest of this sentence if you want!) that they refused to participate in more than just lie detector tests though. I don't know about Portugese law but I don't believe in the UK the lie detector test results are admissible in court for that very reason. I sometimes even wonder whether the stupid chav kids on Jeremy Kyle have genuinely been given the wrong results on their tests as well. There is a caveat at the start in very small writing that says "We recognise lie detector tests aren't 100% accurate but for the purpose of viewing figures we shall persecute a nervous kid" (I might be paraphrasing).

In fact you cannot, legally, refer to it as a lie detector because it doesn't detect lies. In the US, when stating whether or not a defendant took the test, then term polygraph must be used.

They're not as easy to fool as people think, it takes a bit of practice. But the problem here really is how do you establish a reasonable emotional baseline, when your going to ask questions about a recently 'abducted' child.

Polygraphs generally work best, when testing things like alibi's and incidental facts of the case.

Plus its often not considered sensible, when you are in a 'prime suspect' in a serious crime to actually answer the police's questions, even if you are innocent. The police aren't looking at you to rule you out, but to confirm their expectations.

Its different than being a witness or a bystander. In most cases where a kid is harmed or killed, its about establishing which of the parents inflicted the harm, and how much the other parent knew about it.

In the McCanns case, they'd already put themselves into a position of suspicion, because they'd left their kids alone, to go to dinner and have some fun.

Any decent legal advice would be 'do not answer the questions' that I tell you to not answer.

Its very important, when your innocent, to not accidentally incriminate yourself. Actually, it probably more important if your guilty, thinking about it.

 


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