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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 11.44am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

good timing...i walked through brum airport last week on my way to fuertenvura and there were a few posters with her face as it would be now on it

I'd imagine her face is pretty much now bone, and covered with dirt

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In fact you cannot, legally, refer to it as a lie detector because it doesn't detect lies. In the US, when stating whether or not a defendant took the test, then term polygraph must be used.

They're not as easy to fool as people think, it takes a bit of practice. But the problem here really is how do you establish a reasonable emotional baseline, when your going to ask questions about a recently 'abducted' child.

Polygraphs generally work best, when testing things like alibi's and incidental facts of the case.

Plus its often not considered sensible, when you are in a 'prime suspect' in a serious crime to actually answer the police's questions, even if you are innocent. The police aren't looking at you to rule you out, but to confirm their expectations.

Its different than being a witness or a bystander. In most cases where a kid is harmed or killed, its about establishing which of the parents inflicted the harm, and how much the other parent knew about it.

In the McCanns case, they'd already put themselves into a position of suspicion, because they'd left their kids alone, to go to dinner and have some fun.

Any decent legal advice would be 'do not answer the questions' that I tell you to not answer.

Its very important, when your innocent, to not accidentally incriminate yourself. Actually, it probably more important if your guilty, thinking about it.

And as yet there is nothing to prove either way (and probably never will be) that Maddie was one of those kids that was left alone.

 




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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd imagine her face is pretty much now bone, and covered with dirt

Probably looks like her mum a bit then?

 




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Mo Sizlak Flag 15 Feb 17 12.25pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

They went for dinner 50m away. You make it sound like they went out, getting pished, a few miles away.

It's not a decision I would have made but it would not constitute neglect. And they are paying for it now in a way most parents fortunately won't even have to imagine.

The attention given to their case did seem disproportionate compared to other missing children, but other than not being particularly likeable, I haven't seen anything to justify the suspicion and scrutiny they have come under.

50m away or not, it's still 50m too far away to leave a toddler alone.
You'd expect that from a chavvy, Jeremy Kyle Show couple on the piss abroad. But 2 educated people!
What were they thinking?

 


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Mo Sizlak Flag 15 Feb 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Probably looks like her mum a bit then?

I was thinking that too.
The mum has a very skeletal face.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Probably looks like her mum a bit then?

But with more damage around the pelvis.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by Mo Sizlak

50m away or not, it's still 50m too far away to leave a toddler alone.
You'd expect that from a chavvy, Jeremy Kyle Show couple on the piss abroad. But 2 educated people!
What were they thinking?

Its a tricky situation. Typically you leave a child with a babysitter, because of the risk of accidents, generally outweighs the risk of strangers.

Problem is, that we believe that leaving our kids with other people protects them from abuse, but the truth is a bit more distant, as the people we trust our kids with invariably will be the ones who abuse them. The risk from strangers is staggeringly low (compared to relatives and friends of the family).

Plenty of people leave their kids with high risk abusers groups on a regular basis, despite it being well documented, and no one gives a s**t. Uncles and granddads are massively disproportional in abuse stats.


In truth, their real mistake was leaving a window open it seems.

 


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Mo Sizlak Flag 15 Feb 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its a tricky situation. Typically you leave a child with a babysitter, because of the risk of accidents, generally outweighs the risk of strangers.

Problem is, that we believe that leaving our kids with other people protects them from abuse, but the truth is a bit more distant, as the people we trust our kids with invariably will be the ones who abuse them. The risk from strangers is staggeringly low (compared to relatives and friends of the family).

Plenty of people leave their kids with high risk abusers groups on a regular basis, despite it being well documented, and no one gives a s**t. Uncles and granddads are massively disproportional in abuse stats.


In truth, their real mistake was leaving a window open it seems.

I don't think there's any 'tricky situation' at all.

If you've got a toddler then you don't let them leave your side.

 


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Mo Sizlak Flag 15 Feb 17 4.59pm

I don't know about you but my eyes never left my boy when he was little.
It was only when he got to 18 when he told me to 'f*** off.'

His words, not mine.

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Originally posted by Mo Sizlak

I don't think there's any 'tricky situation' at all.

If you've got a toddler then you don't let them leave your side.

3 toddlers / babies in a room on.their own. Were they mental. As I have already said the worry one would get out and wander off or hurt themselves would have been enough. Most people may have had one baby or toddler maybe two at the same time. I had 3 under 3 at one point and it was carnage to leave the room and go to the toilet sometimes . Let alone going out like that. I had to lock the front door with the bottom lock at one stage in case one of them opened the front door and went out into.the street in the few minutes I was.absent. them leaving them and going out with the door unlocked. Lunacy and does make you wonder whether they had been given a spoon of calpol / medised or phenergan to keep them asleep!

 


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Mo Sizlak Flag 15 Feb 17 5.18pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

3 toddlers / babies in a room on.their own. Were they mental. As I have already said the worry one would get out and wander off or hurt themselves would have been enough. Most people may have had one baby or toddler maybe two at the same time. I had 3 under 3 at one point and it was carnage to leave the room and go to the toilet sometimes . Let alone going out like that. I had to lock the front door with the bottom lock at one stage in case one of them opened the front door and went out into.the street in the few minutes I was.absent. them leaving them and going out with the door unlocked. Lunacy and does make you wonder whether they had been given a spoon of calpol / medised or phenergan to keep them asleep!

Absolutely agree.
We were only blessed with one but I couldn't imagine leaving him in his teenage years (I've copped more than an earful from him for that!) yet alone when he was a toddler.
If he left his mums' sight then he certainty never left mine!
I can only assume Jamie Martin hasn't got kids.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Feb 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by Mo Sizlak

I don't think there's any 'tricky situation' at all.

If you've got a toddler then you don't let them leave your side.

Yes, but that's not really all that practical.

Of course one of the reasons I don't have kids, is I don't like the idea of having the bloody parasites attached to me.

 


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