Definitions are important. When you quote an example of someone doing something horrendous and shouting liberal at them it doesn't make them liberals. Someone quoted Blair as part of some liberal elite. I can think of few people less liberal than Blair. Who next Corbyn?

Perhaps...but it needs to be a little more granular and sophisticated than whatever someone happens to disagree with.

Use the word progressive if you like but there is nothing liberal about these people even if there might be policies we could agree on. Clarke is a dyed in the wool Tory who has found his party move away from him. Decent bloke but he aint a liberal. As for Blair...by definition war criminals cant be liberals

Of course the devil is in the specifics however I think a majority group should deal with minorities with a certain humility, generosity and understanding, yes. Bend over backwards if you like because ultimately the majority, by definition, can always impose their will.

No hypocrisy there.

Its an imperfect world. We all f*** up but it is the willingness to keep trying that is important.

I meant that to sound a little less pretentious that it possibly does. Give me the benefit of the doubt!

I haven't read all 11 pages but wonder when this ceased to be about Tomlinson and Whiteley. I would guess about page 2 before the usual suspects filled up the server's hard drives trying to establish their intellectual superiority over one another