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Originally posted by matt_himself

Maybe Gina Miller can move there if they separate l.

And take with her Owen Jones.

Even seeing those two names make me seething...f***ing pair of c***s

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think they're kind of justified over the Brexit vote, given that the remain vote in Scotland was so high. But they're playing a blind hand. They really should have waited until they got a look at what Brexit might mean, and leveraged that (either for supporting the exit in return for Scottish benefit, or as a basis for a new referendum based on the cost to Scotland).

Of course they could have lost out on getting a referendum, if the Brexit deal was reasonable for Scotland - but then they could have benefitted by claiming their influence made it so....

They've 'called' too soon, and just trying to leverage the uncertainty. Of course the last thing they actually want is another referendum. If they lose by the same margin they could risk the Scottish Labour Party recovering seats at the next election.

Uncertainty is a bad horse to back. Short termism.

Isn't that what the country has done with Brexit though?

 


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The only People that give a s*** in England about Wee Jock Poo Pong Mcplop gaining independence are the Turkish Heroin pushers who would go out of business overnight if a border was introduced.

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

Isn't that what the country has done with Brexit though?

Agree independence is not short termism either.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Agree independence is not short termism either.

That's not what he said.

If Scotland decided to come out of the Union now and the rest of Britain does well from Brexit, they might wish they hadn't and want to rejoin. The SNP is only concerned with their short term success as a party and not necessarily the best interests of Scotland.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Mar 17 3.09pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Isn't that what the country has done with Brexit though?

Not quite, I was talking in terms of the SNP calling so early for a second referendum. Brexit is a risk - but for me the risk economically isn't as great as the risk Free Movement poses to the working classes of the UK. Long term the suppression of wage demands by an inexhaustible cheap labour pool threatens to undermine the fabric of UK society.

Its not enough to have 'jobs' those jobs must be sufficiently well paid workers. Subsistance wages for the UK work force undermines the basis of UK society.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Mar 17 3.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's not what he said.

If Scotland decided to come out of the Union now and the rest of Britain does well from Brexit, they might wish they hadn't and want to rejoin. The SNP is only concerned with their short term success as a party and not necessarily the best interests of Scotland.

This. The SNP should really play the long game here as its a viable win / win. If Brexit f**ks up, then they can blame the 'English' and make an improved bit for Independence, from a point of strength.

If it goes well, then they can claim that their influence affected the degree of success, which would strengthen their position.

Calling for a second referendum now is a bad move. If they lose, then their finished as an independence party, and all they have to leverage the voters is 'uncertainty over Brexit'. That's a bad hand to play, its like having three spades, a playing for a flush.

 


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Refusing a second referendum is just driving the Scots into the independence camp.

They will end up hating us. Can't say I blame them.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Refusing a second referendum is just driving the Scots into the independence camp.

They will end up hating us. Can't say I blame them.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This. The SNP should really play the long game here as its a viable win / win. If Brexit f**ks up, then they can blame the 'English' and make an improved bit for Independence, from a point of strength.

If it goes well, then they can claim that their influence affected the degree of success, which would strengthen their position.

Calling for a second referendum now is a bad move. If they lose, then their finished as an independence party, and all they have to leverage the voters is 'uncertainty over Brexit'. That's a bad hand to play, its like having three spades, a playing for a flush.

Exactly. It displays an astonishing lack of foresight on face value. I can only imagine that she is calling for another referendum for effect, knowing full well that it will meet a brick wall until after Brexit negotiations at least.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Mar 17 5.59pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Refusing a second referendum is just driving the Scots into the independence camp.

They will end up hating us. Can't say I blame them.

Well as far as the conservative party are concerned the more SNP voters the better. Because the Conservative party rarely win a seat, and the stronger the SNP are, the weaker Labour's position.

As long as the SNP don't start winning seats south of the border they're the Tory's best ally.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Mar 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly. It displays an astonishing lack of foresight on face value. I can only imagine that she is calling for another referendum for effect, knowing full well that it will meet a brick wall until after Brexit negotiations at least.

I'd call her bluff, and make provision that Scotland have to pay for the referendum themselves. The leave campaign is only really politically strong in Glasgow.

 


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