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 Andypalace1  Birmingham 01 Apr 17 9.13pm |
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At the risk of getting shouted down, this has to stop. It's not big and it's not clever. My 8 year old loves Palace and singing the songs etc but was in tears at Bolton, as were a number of other kids. Lots of people moved to a 'safer' part of the ground, or just left. I have every respect for the HF and what they've done for our club. Our fans are internationally renowned as a result and I have Americans asking me for tickets to games because they've read and heard about us. But to me, that's a step too far. Of course we want noisy, passionate fans. The last thing we want though is the wider fan base of older people, kids etc not wanting to go to games because it's unpleasantly intimidating. Plus, I suspect at some point the club will get in trouble too.
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| Mapletree Croydon 01 Apr 17 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Andypalace1
At the risk of getting shouted down, this has to stop. It's not big and it's not clever. My 8 year old loves Palace and singing the songs etc but was in tears at Bolton, as were a number of other kids. Lots of people moved to a 'safer' part of the ground, or just left. I have every respect for the HF and what they've done for our club. Our fans are internationally renowned as a result and I have Americans asking me for tickets to games because they've read and heard about us. But to me, that's a step too far. Of course we want noisy, passionate fans. The last thing we want though is the wider fan base of older people, kids etc not wanting to go to games because it's unpleasantly intimidating. Plus, I suspect at some point the club will get in trouble too. Very well put. A Palace fan on the radio was effectively blaming the HF and pretty much saying the club should stamp them out. They are a cooperative not a hierarchy so hard for them to self police but I think they do need to. I reckon most of the HF kind of like the excitement of the flares and half encourage those that do it. Need to change that. The HF is too special for it to become a whipping boy for something pretty unnecessary and stupid.
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| pete58 Northampton 01 Apr 17 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by Andypalace1
At the risk of getting shouted down, this has to stop. It's not big and it's not clever. My 8 year old loves Palace and singing the songs etc but was in tears at Bolton, as were a number of other kids. Lots of people moved to a 'safer' part of the ground, or just left. I have every respect for the HF and what they've done for our club. Our fans are internationally renowned as a result and I have Americans asking me for tickets to games because they've read and heard about us. But to me, that's a step too far. Of course we want noisy, passionate fans. The last thing we want though is the wider fan base of older people, kids etc not wanting to go to games because it's unpleasantly intimidating. Plus, I suspect at some point the club will get in trouble too. Well said. How do they get them in if so well policed ?
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| leejaneagles 01 Apr 17 9.54pm |
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Genuine question and I do expect a lot of negative responses but it's only to fuel a debate - Are away games supposed to be for kids? I know football is a family game now and that's great. I go with my mum and it would of been a shame to be a going in the Hooligan era because she wouldn't of been able to come. However, away games do seem totally different. Even without flares or fighting, every body stands. If you have weak knees or are short then an away game isn't the place to go to properly study a game of football. Dare I say, if that's what you want, by a home ticket in the Chelsea family stand and obviously don't make any noise or wear your colours. If I had a young child, I'd assess the situation and determine that 1. At the very least they'll hear terrible language. 2. They might have a terrible day with no view that might upset them. 3. Flares and full grown adults jumping around WILL scare them. It just seems that football is one of those things that for some reason people have decided is a 'U' rating, fun for all the family. The good thing is those people can actually have that experience at all home games. However, as a responsible parent, you have to make sacrifices. Just like you can't go out clubbing til 4am anymore and instead have to boring staying in, maybe choose a picnic at the park over Chelsea away on a Saturday afternoon. Edited by leejaneagles (01 Apr 2017 9.55pm)
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 01 Apr 17 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by leejaneagles
Genuine question and I do expect a lot of negative responses but it's only to fuel a debate - Are away games supposed to be for kids? I know football is a family game now and that's great. I go with my mum and it would of been a shame to be a going in the Hooligan era because she wouldn't of been able to come. However, away games do seem totally different. Even without flares or fighting, every body stands. If you have weak knees or are short then an away game isn't the place to go to properly study a game of football. Dare I say, if that's what you want, by a home ticket in the Chelsea family stand and obviously don't make any noise or wear your colours. If I had a young child, I'd assess the situation and determine that 1. At the very least they'll hear terrible language. 2. They might have a terrible day with no view that might upset them. 3. Flares and full grown adults jumping around WILL scare them. It just seems that football is one of those things that for some reason people have decided is a 'U' rating, fun for all the family. The good thing is those people can actually have that experience at all home games. However, as a responsible parent, you have to make sacrifices. Just like you can't go out clubbing til 4am anymore and instead have to boring staying in, maybe choose a picnic at the park over Chelsea away on a Saturday afternoon. Edited by leejaneagles (01 Apr 2017 9.55pm) As Dad to 2 young daughters who love Palace, I want them to love the whole rollercoaster life of being part of the Palace family. The youngest one's first reaction to a Palace goal at Selhurst was a bit shocked (not because we actually scored, but at the noise level) and the eldest still gets embarassed when her Dad cranks the volume up. Even though they've seen today's fan clips (and the youngest one said three times that she wished she had been in the crowd today), there's no way they're ready for a Palace away day. Not until they're bolshy, stroppy teenagers who probably won't want to spend a day out with their Dad anyway. And that's the way an awayday at the football should be. The U certificate (ish) is the domain of the Family Stand for home fans, as it will be for us again soon.
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| Andypalace1 Birmingham 01 Apr 17 10.11pm |
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Categorically yes of course kids should be welcome at away games. This is 2017, not 1987. My son absolutely loves being and is proud to be a Palace fan. Part of the reason is the excitement of going to away games. That includes the intense noise, the standing and (don't tell his mother) the odd swear word. Being in the away end with the atmosphere is part of the draw for him. I doubt either of us would bother going to sit in the West Brom/Stoke/Villa etc etc family stand. We live in Birmingham so 2/3 of grounds are easier to get to than Selhurst. 13 of the 15 games my lad has been to since he was 5 years old are away games. The same applies to loads of other people. To suggest that a future generation of kids of exiled Palace fans should be forgotten about in favour of a few flares and bangs is quite frankly nonsense. I am not saying lose the atmosphere - I'm just questioning the need for (illegal) flares. What do they really add?
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| oldstand Christchurch 01 Apr 17 10.14pm |
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I love it , nothing like a Big Bang when you've shut someone up . Have some ........Mate
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 01 Apr 17 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by pete58
Well said. How do they get them in if so well policed ? When I went with the school to Calais on a day trip some boys used to strap bangers inside their pants. Crazy I know they could easily blow your knackers off. Don't even ask where the flick knifes went !! Edited by Booted Eagle (01 Apr 2017 10.28pm)
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| bicycle repair man 01 Apr 17 10.19pm |
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It's a shame we seem to attract a few selfish idiots home and away.They don't give a damn about their fellow supporters and do as they want,and when a normal fan objects to their anti social behaviour they spew out a stream of abuse and claim they are supporting their team.
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| Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 01 Apr 17 10.21pm |
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Living now in Lancashire the games I go to are away games and I take my grandson. It really is wrong to be setting off fire crackers or flares irrespective of children being there or not. This however will not stop us going to away matches but these sort of antics should stop.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Apr 17 10.24pm |
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I don't like Chelsea divs in local pubs going 'Go on the Chels' so Joanne a 16 mins on 5live can shut it and the male Chelsea whinge bag after an hour getting pally with palace Keith can use another airwave to bore. Premier league take action? So they'll be taking action against the dozens of clubs whose fans let off flares at away games, and plenty at selhurst.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 01 Apr 17 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Andypalace1
To suggest that a future generation of kids of exiled Palace fans should be forgotten about in favour of a few flares and bangs is quite frankly nonsense. Don't get hung up on the flares. The key point is that the away end is (and has always been) a much more rowdy match day experience than being in the home areas. If you and the kids are cool with that, than there are no problems. A few flares and bangs, to me, are nowhere near as big an issue to me as a Dad than an incessant stream of Fing and Cting from loudmouths for 90+ minutes. Caveat emptor, as the saying goes.
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